Giant by Poll: Post-crash Poll #7: Hide bonus

[Shade]

Vote for the Hide bonus (and additional bonus while immobile).

 

[Knight Otu]

Oops. Wasn't thinking straight on this one. Consider my vote to be for +4/+12, please. Sorry.

 

[Conaill]

For reference: Our giant currently has a -14 to Hide, without any bonuses. But then there's also this:

Camouflage (Ex): Since a GIANT looks like a normal hill when at rest, it takes a DC 20 Spot check to notice it before it attacks.


Having both a Hide bonus when immobile and a Camouflage Special Quality seems rather weird. When would you use one rather than the other? [Note that for Hide there needs to be *some* covere available. Camouflage strictly speaking doesn't require that, although it wouldn't make much sense to require a higher Spot check without cover than with...]

For simplicity, I would advocate doing away with the Camouflage, and folding it into a hefty Hide bonus when immobile. I'm voting for +8/+20. That would still put it at a Hide of only 14 when immobile - much more reasonable than the Camouflage ability.

 

[Shade]

Conaill, while your argument makes perfect sense to me, the majority voted for both camouflage and a bonus on Hide checks. I must bow before majority rule, or the gods of Creature by Poll will smite me down.

Now, if enough of the other regulars want to back us up on this, the vote can be overturned.

 

[Shade]

It looks like +4/+12 is the winner.

 

[Knight Otu]

Actually, I think we have a tie on the "standard" hide bonus, since I shifted my vote.

 

[Shade]

You voted +4/+4. So your changed vote actually solidifies +12 when immobile, right?

 

[Knight Otu]

I swear your polls must contain some kind of halluzigenic...

 

[Shade]

My polls now contain 100% more acidic hallucigenia than the other leading brands.

 

[Conaill]

It looks like +4/+12 is the winner.

Giving the giant a whopping... +2 to Hide when immobile!


Which is entirely irrelevant, since it gets a Spot check of 20 when immobile anyway...