Gloomwrought Looks Good!

[AlioTheFool]

I wasn't really looking forward to this because it comes in a box, and I'm opposed to boxed sets. It's more waste material than I can afford to store. (My Essentials boxes are still sitting on my computer desk because I have nowhere to put them.) The previews, however, make this look like a really interesting product.

Is the book inside hardcover? If it is, at least I could buy it and dump the packaging. I really wish Wizards would at least offer the books as a hardcover separate purchase. The flimsy magazine-style "books" won't hold up on a shelf.

As for cards, I have no problem with them at my table. I created "fortune cards" long before WotC offered official ones. As for tokens, those have no place at all on my table top. I will only play with minis. (And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not opposed to WotC producing tokens because people want them. I just have zero desire to see them at my own table so I'd rather not be forced to purchase them.)

 

[jbear]

I wasn't really looking forward to this because it comes in a box, and I'm opposed to boxed sets. It's more waste material than I can afford to store. (My Essentials boxes are still sitting on my computer desk because I have nowhere to put them.) The previews, however, make this look like a really interesting product.

Is the book inside hardcover? If it is, at least I could buy it and dump the packaging. I really wish Wizards would at least offer the books as a hardcover separate purchase. The flimsy magazine-style "books" won't hold up on a shelf.

As for cards, I have no problem with them at my table. I created "fortune cards" long before WotC offered official ones. As for tokens, those have no place at all on my table top. I will only play with minis. (And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not opposed to WotC producing tokens because people want them. I just have zero desire to see them at my own table so I'd rather not be forced to purchase them.)

No jumping down anyone's throat. I can see how you might not like tokens. Fair enough.

It is quite humorous how your use of quotation marks around the word book seems to suggest that a book is only a true book if it has a hard cover. Anything else I guess is merely called a "book" out of convention. Hehehe.

Fair enough saying you don't like paperback books ... but just outright calling into question the very nature of their bookness ... you go too far, sir!

 

[Klaus]

I've liked everything I've seen of this so far - even the cards. The segments I've read in the WoTC previews have been well-written and enjoyable, despite my total indifference to shadar-kai and so forth.

One thing bothers me though.

The Keepers.

They're exactly the same as the Keepers in Mass Effect, right down to the nefarious secret purpose. Just less insectoid. Now, Mass Effect is great, but it's all I can think of when I read about Gloomwrought.

Keepers are some of my favorite monsters.

And they're older than Mass Effect: keepers appeared in the Planescape Monstrous Compendium Appendix almost 20 years ago. If anything, they're now too similar to the dabus that keep Sigil running.

 

[renau1g]

Damn you Mass Effect for ripping off D&D!

 

[Kobold Avenger]

Keepers are some of my favorite monsters.

And they're older than Mass Effect: keepers appeared in the Planescape Monstrous Compendium Appendix almost 20 years ago. If anything, they're now too similar to the dabus that keep Sigil running.

I remember when they had mysterious origins tied to possibly the creation of another secret plane. Back then they were sort of the Men In Black.

But now they are completely based on the Strangers from Dark City. And I think that Gloomwrought itself is probably quite closely based on Dark City too.

 

[Raven Crowking]

I'd like to offer a big "Thank You" for avoiding a continuation of "How dare you like anything about a 4e product?" It speaks well of you, and it speaks well of EN World.

Again, if there is anyone from Wizards watching the thread: Forbidden City boxed set. Big poster map of the city, smaller cardstock maps of areas within the city, lots of room for GM customization.

Otherwise, keep going in this direction, please.


RC

 

[Estlor]

Pretty funny that a Ravenloft product would pop up in this thread, because I'm actually sketching out a 4e Ravenloft campaign (A Barovia meets Nentir Vale meets Tomb of Horrors campaign centered around Keep on the Shadowfell mixed with Adam's Wrath then a conversion of Expedition to Castle Ravenloft mingled with the Tomb of Horrors mega-adventure that culminates in the group discovering that the Gentleman Caller is basically Satan and they may or may not be figments of his subconscious in a domain specifically designed to entrap him) and the Despair deck seemed like the perfect way to render Fear, Horror, and Madness in a way that impacts the campaign without ruining things like the old 2e system occasionally did.

 

[TerraDave]

I'd like to offer a big "Thank You" for avoiding a continuation of "How dare you like anything about a 4e product?" It speaks well of you, and it speaks well of EN World.

Uh, my XP comment not withstanding...

curious to see what you think when you have it your royal claws.

 

[Herschel]

I also dislike polka, saddle shoes and cilantro.

Polka isn't meant to be enjoyed, it's meant to induce rhythmic seizures to help metabolize the malt beverages in your system in order to make room for more.

Cilantro is disgusting. It's like parsley soaked in a certain bodily fluid.

 

[Shemeska]

I remember when they had mysterious origins tied to possibly the creation of another secret plane. Back then they were sort of the Men In Black.

So how closely do the 4e Keepers resemble the Keepers either from 2e PS, or from the Ecology of the Keeper in Dragon a few years ago (which I did)?

Are the Keepers still Keepers, or is this more a case of Archons versus 4e Archons where the 4e version has little (or no) connection to the previous monster?