Goodman NOT going GSL it looks like

[DaveMage]

Nothing in that press release conflicts with them potentially going with the GSL (or a separate license) in October.

We don't know anything more than we knew before that:

A.) From the now until October, they aren't using the GSL.
B.) In October they are either going copyright, using the GSL, or have a separate license with WotC.

Exactly. We don't know anything yet, other than they are not using the GSL in August and September (which they aren't allowed to do anyway).

 

[TerraDave]

To be the third one on the thread to say it...they can't use the GSL for Gencon, this doesn't meany they won't use it starting in October.

 

[dmccoy1693]

And they're releasing 1E compatable material in the same line. Look at their current product line and you'll see they've made 1E compatable modules in the past. This isn't a new move for them. OSRIC is the legal way to do 1E compatable module. Since OSRIC doesn't have a logo license, Goodman can't say that its osric compatable but that it is 1E module.

Translation: They're mixing 4E and OGL products in the same product line. That's a big no-no in the GSL. Goodman can't be using the GSL.

 

[Filcher]

Doesn't mean they won't when PFRPG officially is released. They just aren't for the moment while final official rules are out of print.

I'll second McCoy. I wouldn't be surprised to see Goodman do a special Pathfinder RPG. They're big on working with the rest of the 3pp ---- everyone supporting one another in the cause for better gaming.

As for the 1e special Gen Con releases, these are also being sold directly through Noble Knight games. If you're not making the con, then you could get them through the web store.

My experience is that a lot of old schoolers still show up for Gen Con. Gen Con is bigger than any one edition. The most obscure game will have a table there, and I know for a fact that a ton of the grognards from the Acaeum are showing up (and you don't get any old school-er than that --- they don't even recognize anything after 2nd edition). Last year I witnessed Erol Otus (!) playing a game of AD&D after hours with James Mishler of Adventure Gams Publishing, Grodog of Pied Piper fame, and some other folks. Old school is alive and well.

 

[Filcher]

And they're releasing 1E compatable material in the same line. Look at their current product line and you'll see they've made 1E compatable modules in the past. This isn't a new move for them. OSRIC is the legal way to do 1E compatable module. Since OSRIC doesn't have a logo license, Goodman can't say that its osric compatable but that it is 1E module.

Translation: They're mixing 4E and OGL products in the same product line. That's a big no-no in the GSL. Goodman can't be using the GSL.

Not to split hairs, but let me split a hair.

We don't know if OSRIC is legal. We do know that Wizards isn't doing anything about them, but this could be because:

• OSIRC is too small for Wizards to care
• OSRIC is legal
• Wizards is too busy to deal with them
• etc...

 

[guivre]

Translation: They're mixing 4E and OGL products in the same product line. That's a big no-no in the GSL. Goodman can't be using the GSL.

Whether Goodman was putting out material under the GSL prior to October or not was never in question. We already knew that.

That has no bearing on whether they'll be using in in October.

 

[dmccoy1693]

Not to split hairs, but let me split a hair.

We don't know if OSRIC is legal. We do know that Wizards isn't doing anything about them, but this could be because:

• OSIRC is too small for Wizards to care
• OSRIC is legal
• Wizards is too busy to deal with them
• etc...

OSRIC is legal. No writing comes from the 1E books, if any writing is copied, it comes from the SRD. All tables based on arbitrary numbers have been changed sufficiently. Papers and Paychecks was called into WotC HQ for a meeting with WotC. The outcome is that OSRIC is legal. IIRC, there was a bit about OSRIC being made in England and thus being subject to british law instead of american law that helped it out some. This would certainly explain the part about the GSL that all cases involving it must be fought in the washington state courts.

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

Translation: They're mixing 4E and OGL products in the same product line. That's a big no-no in the GSL. Goodman can't be using the GSL.

That's how I read it, too.

 

[Filcher]

OSRIC is legal. No writing comes from the 1E books, if any writing is copied, it comes from the SRD. All tables based on arbitrary numbers have been changed sufficiently. Papers and Paychecks was called into WotC HQ for a meeting with WotC. The outcome is that OSRIC is legal. IIRC, there was a bit about OSRIC being made in England and thus being subject to british law instead of american law that helped it out some. This would certainly explain the part about the GSL that all cases involving it must be fought in the washington state courts.

Fair enough. I heard a story about them getting a cease/desist letter from Wizards, but that Wizards never followed up.

 

[guivre]

That's how I read it, too.

We knew that it couldn't be GSL weeks ago because they were coming out prior to October. This is not news and says nothing about what will happen in October, they could continue to go copyright, or start using a license. There's no conclusive evidence either way.