Goodman NOT going GSL it looks like


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Listening to it right now. The GSL questions are at the beginning of the cast. Joe says that the early modules will be published under the OGL ("its a very flexible document") and the later ones will be published under the GSL. "Goodman Games will be onboard with the GSL".

The main reason he's publishing the early modules under the OGL is because he committed to certain dates with his distribution chain months and months ago, and was faced with the decision to renege on his commitments because of the GSL-fiasco, or follow this course. He also mentions that he informed Wizards of his decision (but says nothing about their reactions).


Some other interesting information, too - Joe says page counts for 4e modules are much bigger (40 pages as opposed to 32 pages for a 20,000 word count module) because of the "enormous stat-blocks".
 

ok it is worth it

Hi,

But, to add something on the OP. I think the evidence is adding up to show they are not using GSL. Sure they could backtrack everything come Oct, but really why go to all this trouble if you are going to come into compliance with the GSL in a matter of months anyway.

I am not a lawyer, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night,

RK

Listening to it right now. The GSL questions are at the beginning of the cast. Joe says that the early modules will be published under the OGL ("its a very flexible document") and the later ones will be published under the GSL. "Goodman Games will be onboard with the GSL".

The main reason he's publishing the early modules under the OGL is because he committed to certain dates with his distribution chain months and months ago, and was faced with the decision to renege on his commitments because of the GSL-fiasco, or follow this course. He also mentions that he informed Wizards of his decision (but says nothing about their reactions).
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Ok, I was totally wrong.

Good info, I am at work and can not access, so thank you.
 

Heh, now all the odd little things about GG make sense.

The really interesting part is that they can produce 4e content under the OGL.

I'm not talking legally, that's probably not in question, but pragmatically they are (or think they are) producing viable 4e material under the OGL.

Goodman plans on going GSL after October, which isn't my ideal, but what they're doing until then creates a blueprint for how to avoid the GSL for those that wish to.
 

Can you cite authority for this? I'd like to read it.

Also, what happens when someone else distribute OSRIC material under licence from the OSRIC publishers? Presumably time in respect of that violation runs from the time that it is distributed.

I'm don't quite see how this can be right. To eject you from my property I don't need to prove loss. I just need to prove it's my property. That's the point of property rights.

I find it hard to believe that I need to prove loss to get an injunction stopping you distributing material that infringes on my IP rights. Certainly, in Australian law loss is not an element in breach of confidence, and I don't see why copyright would differ.

Furthermore, if loss has to be proved, then what is the purpose of the statutory damages regime that operates once copyright has been registered?

See, what you say about the Limitations Statute and what you say about the need to prove loss make no sense. It would make no sense that, if OSRIC causes no loss to WoTC until year 6 of distribution, then they can't sue at that point because more than 3 years have passed since the commencement of distribution.

If that was correct, then I could violate anyone's copyright I liked by distributing in only very small quantities for the 1st 3 years, thereby causing no loss, and then going to town once the 3 years had expired.

Sometimes the law is stupid, I'll admit, but it's rarely so stupid as to make itself pointless. So either there's something I'm missing in what you've said, or there's something wrong with what you've said.

I don't feel like going back and re-reading everything. If your as interested in it as I was/am go read US law Article 17 and then look up statutes of limitations, specifically for copyright infringement. Thats how I started. I then moved on to reading some papers written by copyright law professors at a Texas University, and talked to a couple of people who receive copyright law training due to their job positions.
 

Daaaaaammmmmnnnnn! :eek:

Violet Dawn is your standout IP, to hand that over to WoTC who can change the GSL at any time potentially threatening its survival, is something I could never do. I hope it works out for you but would like it if you made the setting OGL compatible instead.

We've been vocal supporters of 4th Edition since it was announced last year. Now that I've been playing in an ongoing campaign since KotS was released and have looked over the GSL, I'm still very supportive of Dungeons & Dragons. I don't buy into all of the horror stories and rumors on the interwebs so I'm not worried about Wizards pulling the rug from under us.

And truthfully if we didn't go 4e we were closing up shop. I really feel bad that we never delivered on The Avadnu Primer for 3e, but when the sales of Denizens of Avadnu tanked through distribution, there was no way that we were going to release a huge Campaign Setting and land even more in debt. We didn't team up with Paizo Publishing to sell Denizens of Avadnu for $10 a book because it was widely successful...

I believe in this edition and in Violet Dawn so much that I'm willing to put my family and friends through a boatload of stress all over again. If Wizards does decide to pull the license I'll be VERY shocked, mad, upset, and angry, but at least it'll be a decision I have no control over and I can get back to a life outside of the gaming industry. I hope it doesn't come to that, but who knows?

And to those of you who aren't crazy on 4th Edition, I can understand that. We've had a ruleless/licenseless campaign setting book in mind for years. We have no plans to start work on this again until at least next year, but I'd be surprised if we don't release something like that sooner or later.
 

JVisgaitis,

As someone who has done some independent publishing in the past (not game related), I wish you best of luck on your endeavor and fully support your decision... Violet Dawn looks quite interesting and I will be more than willing to purchase a .pdf from you guys.
 

Not suggesting what GG WILL do, but wondering...if they create an OGL product NOW, AND they plan on going GSL, doesn't that mean that they have about two months to sell that product before they're required to destroy all their old stock?
 

Not suggesting what GG WILL do, but wondering...if they create an OGL product NOW, AND they plan on going GSL, doesn't that mean that they have about two months to sell that product before they're required to destroy all their old stock?

Probably not an issue. After all, DC and Marvel work with having to sell all their product in one month, and they seem to be doing okay.
 


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