Grappling Clarification

[Dr. Zoom]

When a character wants to grapple, he must first grab his opponent by making a melee touch attack. This provokes an AoO and if it is successful, the grapple attempt fails. If the melee touch attack is successful, then he must get a Hold. This is decided by an opposed grapple check.

My question: Each of these maneuvers requires an attack, correct? If the grappler has a BAB of +4, he must make the melee touch attack, and if successful, he can try a Hold on his next turn? Or, if he makes the melee touch attack, does he get the Hold check for free? I have been requiring an actual attack for each maneuver unless the character has Improved Grapple.

Also, since I have a monk in my game, am I correct in thinking a monk can use his stunning attack if he succeeds in a grapple check and does unarmed damage?

 

[CRGreathouse]

My question: Each of these maneuvers requires an attack, correct? If the grappler has a BAB of +4, he must make the melee touch attack, and if successful, he can try a Hold on his next turn? Or, if he makes the melee touch attack, does he get the Hold check for free? I have been requiring an actual attack for each maneuver unless the character has Improved Grapple.

Also, since I have a monk in my game, am I correct in thinking a monk can use his stunning attack if he succeeds in a grapple check and does unarmed damage?

You make a melee touch attack and a grapple check in the same round, even with BAB +4.

I'm not sure about the stunning attack - you could use it in the second round, but I'm not sure about the first. Ask Caliban.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

You make a melee touch attack and a grapple check in the same round, even with BAB +4.

Great, that clears up that. I have had two grapples in 3e so far, but my monk is just now discovering that he likes to grapple and wants to get improved grapple.

I'm not sure about the stunning attack - you could use it in the second round, but I'm not sure about the first. Ask Caliban.

Maybe he will see the thread and respond.

I am currently thinking that anytime the monk can deliver an unarmed attack (as he can in a grapple) he can use his stunning attack. It would certainly come in handy when his opponent pulls that magical dagger to slip between his ribs.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

Bump.

Didn't want to get pinned to page 2.