Grappling questions

[Shalewind]

Or is that just with missle weapons?

Grappling is considered just like Melee combat as far as ranged attacks are concerned.

But when they attack into the grapple, is there a chance that they will hit you?

I assume you mean friendlies attacking at an opponent that you are grappling with, correct? Then the answer is no, they stand no chance of hitting you. However, you do loose your Dex bonus as well. Thus, both you and your grapple-ee are easier targets for other opponents and rouges.

Again, if you use the -20 option, you retain your Dex Bonus.

As a DM, I would allow a big big rogue ogre to try and pin a small halfing one handed (with a -20 to a grapple check) and then use sneak attack on him (assuming he had the opponent pinned)

In addition, you might find one of my other threads of intrest:

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20711

 

[FANGO]

Actually, although there is nothing mentioned about having a chance of hitting the wrong person in the grapple section, I believe that somewhere in the rules there is a mention of accidentally hitting the wrong person if you're aiming at a square occupied by multiple people. Since you are supposed to be in someone's square while grappling them, then you would be subject to these rules I suppose. If nothing else, it is mentioned in the bull rush section that there is a 25% chance of hitting the wrong person when attacking into a sqaure occupied by multiple people, so I suppose that you could apply that to grappling situations.

 

[tburdett]

Grappling can be very powerfull. Even more so with the feats from Oriental Adventures.

I am playing a Psychic Warrior with Claw Powers, and the "Snatch" feat. Getting a free grapple check to initiate the grapple without an AoO is powerfull, especially when you can still hit and damage normally with your claws, and your enemy can't use his medium or large weapon in the grapple.

A few adventures ago, at lvl 7, I grappled an Ogre Mage and killed him on my own.

btw ... the party rogues love me

This is where Close Quarters Fighting really shines.

If your DM is reading this thread there might be a nasty surprise in the near future!

 

[jonrog1]

Quick question -- you need to make an opposed check while grappling to do unarmed damage, right?

But what about your other options farther down the page, like attacking with a light weapon? There's nothing in the rules about having to take -20 on your grapple checks because you're not using all your limbs to grapple when you take that option. (And don't misunderstand, I know about the -20 rule, there's just nothing about it in this section of the grapple discussion). Is the idea that as long as it's a light weapon, you're stabbing away during the struggle but it's not affecting you ability to grapple? Is that a melee attack roll or an opposed grapple check (my first instinct is melee attack roll)?

 

[Ranger REG]

You mean "take 20." No player would choose a -20 penalty.

If you want to use your light weapon against your grappling opponent, then use normal attack roll. (And they say a dagger is useless without weapon speed factor.)

 

[0-hr]

Check out the "Improved Grab" ability in the front of the Monster Manual and you'll see where the "-20" thing comes from. A far as I can tell, though, it is only applicable to things that have the Improved Grab special ability.

 

[Brekki]

Quick question -- you need to make an opposed check while grappling to do unarmed damage, right?

But what about your other options farther down the page, like attacking with a light weapon? There's nothing in the rules about having to take -20 on your grapple checks because you're not using all your limbs to grapple when you take that option. (And don't misunderstand, I know about the -20 rule, there's just nothing about it in this section of the grapple discussion). Is the idea that as long as it's a light weapon, you're stabbing away during the struggle but it's not affecting you ability to grapple? Is that a melee attack roll or an opposed grapple check (my first instinct is melee attack roll)?

Quick answer ... yes

Not so quit answer ... no
With this I mean that you don't need to make a grapple check. You could just hit your enemy with your fist, and do unarmed damage. Even if you don't have "Improved Unarmed Strike" he doesn't get an AoO because he doesn't threaten any areas.

You can attack with a light weapon, just as you would do that normally, nothing changes. It doesn't give you any penalties on your later grapple checks.

 

[Shalewind]

A far as I can tell, though, it is only applicable to things that have the Improved Grab special ability.

Not so. Check out the FAQ. I believe they say that it is an option for any grappling situation.

 

[Brekki]

From the rules faq:

Any creature can opt to take -20 on a grapple check to avoid the more unpleasant aspects of grappling (such as losing your Dexterity bonus and being subject to sneak attacks from rogues)

 

[Shalewind]

Thanks Brekki. Knew it was in there somewhere.