Grease & Mage Hand

[0-hr]

I had the bright idea to cast Grease on something the bad guy had. Next round, I used Mage Hand to pick it up and bring it to me.

Should I have to roll a Reflex save in order to "pick up" the object with Mage Hand? The object was initially non-magical. Is it still non-magical while under the effects of Grease?



Grease

A saving throw must be made in each round that the creature attempts to pick up or use the greased item.

Mage Hand

You point your finger at an object and can lift it and move it at will from a distance. As a move action, you can propel the object as far as 15 feet in any direction

 

[Scion]

SRD:
Mage Hand
Transmutation
Level: Brd 0, Sor/Wiz 0
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: One nonmagical, unattended object weighing up to 5 lb.
Duration: Concentration
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
You point your finger at an object and can lift it and move it at will from a distance. As a move action, you can propel the object as far as 15 feet in any direction, though the spell ends if the distance between you and the object ever exceeds the spell’s range.

Grease
Conjuration (Creation)
Level: Brd 1, Sor/Wiz 1
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target or Area: One object or a 10-ft. square
Duration: 1 round/level (D)
Saving Throw: See text
Spell Resistance: No
A grease spell covers a solid surface with a layer of slippery grease. Any creature in the area when the spell is cast must make a successful Reflex save or fall. This save is repeated on your turn each round that the creature remains within the area. A creature can walk within or through the area of grease at half normal speed with a DC 10 Balance check. Failure means it can’t move that round (and must then make a Reflex save or fall), while failure by 5 or more means it falls (see the Balance skill for details).
The spell can also be used to create a greasy coating on an item. Material objects not in use are always affected by this spell, while an object wielded or employed by a creature receives a Reflex saving throw to avoid the effect. If the initial saving throw fails, the creature immediately drops the item. A saving throw must be made in each round that the creature attempts to pick up or use the greased item. A creature wearing greased armor or clothing gains a +10 circumstance bonus on Escape Artist checks and on grapple checks made to resist or escape a grapple or to escape a pin.
Material Component: A bit of pork rind or butter.


Mage hand sounds just like a minor telekinesis to me. No need for a reflex save to 'keep hold'.

Transmutation indeed!

Edit: sorry about adding the full text, I just like the have the whole thing on hand just in case!

Happy gaming all.

 

[MichaelH]

I agree. I don't think using Mage Hand on the unattended object requires a saving throw. The object itself is not magical. The spellcaster, however, will need a saving throw to hold onto the object when he brings it to himself.

 

[0-hr]

The spellcaster, however, will need a saving throw to hold onto the object when he brings it to himself.

Actually, round after that I Mage Handed it directly into my haversack. Thanks for the information though

 

[MichaelH]

Actually, round after that I Mage Handed it directly into my haversack. Thanks for the information though

That would work. For curiosity's sake, what was the object?

 

[Negative Zero]

The spellcaster, however, will need a saving throw to hold onto the object when he brings it to himself.

true, but grease is dispellable.

~NegZ

 

[Piratecat]

The title of this thread sounds like something from the BoEF.

 

[anon]

you dirty pu... i mean, cat

[editted for the kids]