Greater Dispell Magic

[Malachei]

I don't want to drag this out, but add just a few comments... MDJ is not a big help, because of the danger of destroying the magic items; Chain Dispel is not core; There are other level-dependend variables in core that do not cap at 20 levels. Finally, how important Dispelling is, depends on playing style -- in our campaigns, it is really significant. Enough reasons for a core dispel with a higher cap, IMO. But I respect where you are coming from.

 

[jefgorbach]

I don't want to drag this out, but add just a few comments... MDJ is not a big help, because of the danger of destroying the magic items; Chain Dispel is not core; There are other level-dependend variables in core that do not cap at 20 levels. Finally, how important Dispelling is, depends on playing style -- in our campaigns, it is really significant. Enough reasons for a core dispel with a higher cap, IMO. But I respect where you are coming from.

Agreed about MDJ.

PHB2 is widely available so the difficulty re:Chain Dispel wasnt it Core status, but rather I thought he meant metamagic(Chained spell)+DM whereas he meant the PHB2 spell which I had forgotten about.

The problem as it were is DM/GDM specifically limit how hard the caster may concentrate upon dispelling any given effect (ie +10, +20 respectively) even if they they are capable of far more.

 

[FEADIN]

Thinking about MDJ an the look from the players struck by the casting adding the dice rolling for all those magical objects....
May be a good variant could be to use MDJ as an automatic dispel magic wich doesn't not affect objects unless they're targeted specificaly?

 

[Malachei]

I fully agree.

With an option, however, the spell would be more powerful (that is, above 9th level or need balancing factors).

If you simply remove the ability to affect magic items in another vesion of the spell, question is, is it now more or less powerful? MDJ's ability to affect items is highly situational, IMO, a blessing in one situation, a curse in another. Maybe a more powerful, uncapped Dispel that acts as a targeted against all targets could be 9th level, too -- no auto success, but no item destruction, either. With Chain Dispel (again, PHBII -- not metamagically chained dispel) at 8th and capped at +25, it would need to be 9th, unless one is willing to houserule Chain Dispel uncapped or a higher cap.

 

[FEADIN]

I fully agree.

With an option, however, the spell would be more powerful (that is, above 9th level or need balancing factors).

If you simply remove the ability to affect magic items in another vesion of the spell, question is, is it now more or less powerful? MDJ's ability to affect items is highly situational, IMO, a blessing in one situation, a curse in another. Maybe a more powerful, uncapped Dispel that acts as a targeted against all targets could be 9th level, too -- no auto success, but no item destruction, either. With Chain Dispel (again, PHBII -- not metamagically chained dispel) at 8th and capped at +25, it would need to be 9th, unless one is willing to houserule Chain Dispel uncapped or a higher cap.

I fully agree

The strength and the drawback of MDJ is the automatic dispelling and the potential loss of magical items, a DispelM non capped non automatic should be 9th level, no loss of item but no auto dispelling.
I was just underligning a spell very close and that could be houseruled easily.