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Greatest American? (All Over on Page Eight)

Greatest American?

  • Muhammad Ali (Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr.)

    Votes: 3 1.4%
  • Neil Alden Armstrong

    Votes: 3 1.4%
  • Lance Armstrong

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • George W. Bush

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • Bill Clinton

    Votes: 2 0.9%
  • Walt Disney

    Votes: 3 1.4%
  • Thomas Edison

    Votes: 11 5.2%
  • Albert Einstein

    Votes: 12 5.7%
  • Henry Ford

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Benjamin Franklin

    Votes: 34 16.1%
  • Bill Gates

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Billy Graham

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bob Hope

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    Votes: 38 18.0%
  • John F. Kennedy

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Martin Luther King Jr.

    Votes: 23 10.9%
  • Abraham Lincoln

    Votes: 18 8.5%
  • Rosa Parks

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • Elvis Presley

    Votes: 3 1.4%
  • Ronald Reagan

    Votes: 11 5.2%
  • Eleanor Roosevelt (Anna Eleanor Roosevelt)

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Franklin D. Roosevelt

    Votes: 11 5.2%
  • George Washington

    Votes: 24 11.4%
  • Oprah Winfrey

    Votes: 2 0.9%
  • Wrights Brothers (Orville & Wilbur Wright)

    Votes: 1 0.5%

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I'm certainly not familiar with the details of military structure (or lack thereof) in that time period, Storm Raven, as I've always been interested in political and social issues more than military detail. But what you're saying lines up nicely with my own research. Laying significant blame (as Capt. Tagon did) for the sacking of Washington on Jefferson's doorstep strikes me as hyperbolic at best, and gross misrepresentation at worst.
 

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Ankh-Morpork Guard said:
Well...I don't think Washington was sacked during WWII, so its probably not about FDR. But then again...one never knows. ;)

Hey, you never know what someone might believe happened... :lol: (Not implying you would Canis.)
 

Canis said:
I'm certainly not familiar with the details of military structure (or lack thereof) in that time period, Storm Raven, as I've always been interested in political and social issues more than military detail. But what you're saying lines up nicely with my own research. Laying significant blame (as Capt. Tagon did) for the sacking of Washington on Jefferson's doorstep strikes me as hyperbolic at best, and gross misrepresentation at worst.

I'd lay most of the blame for the sacking on John Armstrong, the Secretary of War at the outset of the conflict, and who botched the call-up of the Maryland militia. Madison deserves a fair amount of the blame too, for handing command of the defense of the region over to a political crony (Winder).
 



I voted for Ben Franklin. Though I would have voted for Teddy Roosevelt if he was listed.
And some of the people on that list really shouldn't be on it.
 


George Washington. he handed over the power of the Presidency peacefully and went home. He set the standard. The next best was Lincoln. They are worthy of respect forever.
 

Storm Raven said:
I'd lay most of the blame for the sacking on John Armstrong, the Secretary of War at the outset of the conflict, and who botched the call-up of the Maryland militia. Madison deserves a fair amount of the blame too, for handing command of the defense of the region over to a political crony (Winder).

These are hardly mistakes that weren't repeated over and over--even Lincoln and Washington made several of the same (consider Bull Run I, for example). In fact, in terms of turning war into the horrific endeavor we know now, Lincoln may be the most guilty, supporting the likes of Sherman and Grant, after supporting some incredible incompetents to prosecute the war.
 

Dinkeldog said:
Lincoln may be the most guilty, supporting the likes of Sherman and Grant, after supporting some incredible incompetents to prosecute the war.

Their incompetence, like Burnside, and then there’s doing what needs to be done… All Grant, followed by Sherman, offered the South the easy peace that ended the war and didn't lead to guerilla warfare. (This easy peace was deeply upsetting to congress but was what Lincoln, and they, wanted.)

If their happened been Lee and Grant at Appomattox Courthouse the world would be a very different place and it would be a happy place. (IMHO)
 

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