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General Greyhawk setting material

Coroc

Hero
The point is well made though. If they are going to make changes to the setting, walking softly is definitely the easier way to go. It's much, MUCH easier to slip in small changes than big ones. Just look at the 5e Monster Manual and then compare it to the 3e Monster Manual to see how much you can change the game without ruffing feathers.

And, frankly, there are a million ways to slip in something as minor as a new PC race into the game. They did it quite well with Tieflings in GoS for example. That tiefling isn't a smuggler. She's there as the imperial representative of Iuz, waving the flag and all, legally buying food supplies to ship home. This is all above board and legal and everyone knows it.

You could easily add in another PC race in a similar fashion. The notion that Race X (whether it's Dragonborn or Lupins or whatever) have always been in the setting, but, marginalized and living in small, isolated communities on the fringes. They haven't been mentioned before because, well, they're just not that important in the larger picture. That's probably the simplest solution.

Oh, and just because everyone else is doing the mic drops, I'd point out that Dragonborn do appear in the artwork for Saltmarsh, so, they are canon in Greyhawk. And, yes, GoS is canonically Greyhawk despite the fact that there are sidebars for placing it in other settings. It is NOT a generic product. It is SPECIFICALLY placed in Greyhawk.

What is that monstrosity in the middle of the picture? Is it a Gnome? Beware - a dual rapier wielding gnome paladin!

:)
 

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Zardnaar

Legend
Good grief, is this GH taffy pull still going? I hear repeated groans coming from WotC Marketing... ;)
Lead us to the promised land lord Robilar for we are but children;)

I don't think WotC will blow the setting up if they ever redo it.

Bad memories of 4E FR and Darksun still linger.
 

Azzy

Newtype
Honestly, given the history of the Great Kingdom over the last century or so, I'd think a noticeable population would have appeared there decades ago. The Overkings didn't sit on something nicknamed "The Fiend-Seeking Throne" for nothing, after all...
Indeed. The Tiefling character I played was a scion of House Naelax.
 

Rob Kuntz

Adventurer
Lead us to the promised land lord Robilar for we are but children;)

I don't think WotC will blow the setting up if they ever redo it.

Bad memories of 4E FR and Darksun still linger.

Yeh, like in 1997 when I passed them the WoG Marketing plan, no such thing then as I (and Gary who approved of it) got silence in return. So, Whose promised land? Mine? Yours? The fans who will never agree due to infinite individual slants? Or WotC's bottom line "Promised Land"? Such is the nature of things. I am not fooling myself on this, way past that weaning stage as I have been involved in these trench battles for years. ;)
 

Rob Kuntz

Adventurer
Maybe WotC would be approachable on me now finishing Maure Castle... So much on my plate now but I'd try to factor it in if they could be communicated with on this somehow. They are otherwise pretty aloof.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Yeh, like in 1997 when I passed them the WoG Marketing plan, no such thing then as I (and Gary who approved of it) got silence in return. So, Whose promised land? Mine? Yours? The fans who will never agree due to infinite individual slants? Or WotC's bottom line "Promised Land"? Such is the nature of things. I am not fooling myself on this, way past that weaning stage as I have been involved in these trench battles for years. ;)

Broadly speaking for Greyhawk I think the best claim is.

1. Yourself or Gary's children.
2. Anyone who isn't going to blow it up Paizohawk.
3. Anyone who is gonna blow it up in a semi logical way (2E).
4. Anyone who is going to blow it up in a really silly way.
5. People who really don't get it.

Hopefully if WotC redo it for a modern audience it's option 2. 1 would be the ideal but oh well.

IMHO.
 

Rob Kuntz

Adventurer
Broadly speaking for Greyhawk I think the best claim is.

1. Yourself or Gary's children.
2. Anyone who isn't going to blow it up Paizohawk.
3. Anyone who is gonna blow it up in a semi logical way (2E).
4. Anyone who is going to blow it up in a really silly way.
5. People who really don't get it.

Hopefully if WotC redo it for a modern audience it's option 2. 1 would be the ideal but oh well.

IMHO.

Well, They never wanted to re-Officialize it through Gary and I then, so why now? GH was given to the fans to do what they wanted with it. With that came the consequences of same--the endless individual arguments, all very singular and sound from island to island as it goes, but because of that never emitting the median TOLLING of the bell that is a Golden Call to Market Prayer for Wotc.
 



Rob Kuntz

Adventurer
I can certainly talk to Mike Mearls about it at GaryCon if you'd like, Rob?

Allan.
Next year? Hah! Things move faster from my end or not at all. I am no sloth or beggar, mind you. Mike can either take my e-mail or not, his choice, he's that end's boss, more power to him. That's the professional route and in kind what we all bear from. But thanks anyway, It was more airy thoughts, actually. But, hey, in either case you get phantasms: MORE CASTLE or LESS CASTLE. ;)
 

Hussar

Legend
Broadly speaking for Greyhawk I think the best claim is.

1. Yourself or Gary's children.
2. Anyone who isn't going to blow it up Paizohawk.
3. Anyone who is gonna blow it up in a semi logical way (2E).
4. Anyone who is going to blow it up in a really silly way.
5. People who really don't get it.

Hopefully if WotC redo it for a modern audience it's option 2. 1 would be the ideal but oh well.

IMHO.
Really, this is a great example of how "blowing up the setting" is simply a matter of liking something or not. Paizohawk introduced all sorts of things to the setting that were new. If you like Paizohawk, the following is true in Greyhawk:

1. Demogorgon is dead, and his plane has been ripped from the abyss and left adrift.
2. The Isle of Dread exists in Greyhawk (blatantly ripping off Mystara)
3. There exists not one, but two major urban centers in the Amedeo Jungle that apparently no one ever knew about.
4. Yakfolk exist underneath cities in Greyhawk - does that mean Al-Quadim exists in Greyhawk?

I'm sure there are more, but, you get the point. Paizohawk is fantastic, but, the notion that they "aren't going to blow up Greyhawk" is a bit strange. They made all sorts of broad sweeping changes to the setting through Dungeon adventures and articles in Dragon.
 

David Howery

Adventurer
here's a borderline GH question for any of you lucky people who still own one of the boxed GH sets... how big is each of those Darlene poster maps? I ask because I have the PDF version from DTRPG, and when I was in Office Depot today, I noticed that they have a poster printing service. Apparently, if I put the PDF on a thumb drive and take it to them, they can print the maps off of them. But I need to see if they have any poster stock of roughly the same size...
 


grodog

Adventurer
here's a borderline GH question for any of you lucky people who still own one of the boxed GH sets... how big is each of those Darlene poster maps? I ask because I have the PDF version from DTRPG, and when I was in Office Depot today, I noticed that they have a poster printing service. Apparently, if I put the PDF on a thumb drive and take it to them, they can print the maps off of them. But I need to see if they have any poster stock of roughly the same size...

The original folio maps are 36"x24" each, while the later boxed set maps are smaller. Paul Stormberg mentioned the dimensions in discussion on Dragonsfoot many moons ago:

Paul Stormberg on Dragonsfoot said:
Maps:
There can be no doubt, the original folio maps are the most gorgeous maps produced for any campaign setting - ever. The folio poster map measures 36" x 48" when assembled, later maps are ca. 30" x 40", and the 3E maps are mere bookmarks in comparison. Additionally, the '83 maps are dull and the colors are muted. The folio maps are gorgeous and glossy really showing off the rich colors of Darlene's artwork. The glossy paper stock is also more durable and it can be written on with a grease pencil and erased. Spills are not catastrophic to the glossy maps either.

When aligned with the overlap, the combined map size reduces somewhat to 36"x44.5" but the folio maps hanging on my office wall may be somewhat smaller (35" tall vs. 36" perhaps) if they're from a later printing. I'll have to pull out some first printing maps to measure and confirm later tonight.

The thread at Dragonsfoot • View topic - Boxed Set or Original Folio details additional differences between the Greyhawk folio and boxed set contents, in addition to the map dimensions.

Allan.
 

Parmandur

Legend
The original folio maps are 36"x24" each, while the later boxed set maps are smaller. Paul Stormberg mentioned the dimensions in discussion on Dragonsfoot many moons ago:



When aligned with the overlap, the combined map size reduces somewhat to 36"x44.5" but the folio maps hanging on my office wall may be somewhat smaller (35" tall vs. 36" perhaps) if they're from a later printing. I'll have to pull out some first printing maps to measure and confirm later tonight.

The thread at Dragonsfoot • View topic - Boxed Set or Original Folio details additional differences between the Greyhawk folio and boxed set contents, in addition to the map dimensions.

Allan.

In addition, if you take the file to a professional printer, they will be able to help with making the proper size based on the files.
 

David Howery

Adventurer
The original folio maps are 36"x24" each, while the later boxed set maps are smaller. Paul Stormberg mentioned the dimensions in discussion on Dragonsfoot many moons ago:
thanks grodog! I thought you might know... :)

well, those original folio maps might have been more durable, but after years of heavy use, spills, stains, writing notes all over Hepmonaland, and being pinned up on my dorm room walls and taken back down over and over and over, mine finally disintegrated and were buried with honors (okay, just tossed in the trash after I got the 83 set)…
 



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