Grognard good...grognard bad

[pemerton]

only grognards would deploy all the power of modern digital document processing to produce something that looks ... like a Xerox of a mimeograph of an original produced on a typewriter in the 1970s.

Encounter Critical and Mazes and Minotaurs? Or did I misunderstand your allusion?

(EDIT: and of course can't give more XP at this time blah blah blah.)

 

[Ariosto]

Encounter Critical and Mazes and Minotaurs? Or did I misunderstand your allusion?

I was referring to CLS3 (Being the classic rules set "Column, Line and Square", reordered, refurbished, and brought up to date for a new century, by Various Veterans).

 

[ancientvaults]

Well, I don't care whether a fellow pisses off players of new games. If he's up for a game of Column, Line and Square, then that's good enough for me.

He can grumble about how much got cut out of the latest version.

I can grumble right back about how only grognards would deploy all the power of modern digital document processing to produce something that looks ... like a Xerox of a mimeograph of an original produced on a typewriter in the 1970s.

I am half grognard (I also run Pathfinder and sometimes Barbarians of Lemuria, and the latest CoC) and I find all of the edition whinging to be nonsense. As I have stated before, any game that you and your fellows like is the perfect game, regardless of edition. Just have fun.

However, the jab at production values is rather unwarranted. Check out the pictures of the Lamentations of the Flame Princess rpg . This game is so retro it can show nipples! On the cover! And it looks pretty snazzy.

 

[Ariosto]

However, the jab at production values is rather unwarranted.

In the particular case, it is entirely warranted, albeit slightly exaggerated (e.g., that's probably not typewriter but typesetting getting so carefully duplicated). You can look at CLS3 for yourself.

It's a joke, though!

No doubt there are young hipsters who also take "retro style" to such extremes. Most certainly there are high production values, too. Multi-Man Publishing, for instance, inherited a high bar with the Advanced Squad Leader line. Kenzer's old-timer-pleasing Aces & Eights is about as deluxe as deluxe can be. The "retro-clone" RPG scene offers a lot of good-looking work. And even when Jim Raggi's D&D stuff was produced on a tiny budget, it was pretty sharp.

 

[ExploderWizard]

However, the jab at production values is rather unwarranted. Check out the pictures of the Lamentations of the Flame Princess rpg . This game is so retro it can show nipples! On the cover! And it looks pretty snazzy.

Thanks for the link. I will be ordering this.

 

[ancientvaults]

@Ariosto: Even as a joke, though, people (like me) can see this as a jab. I really am not into the edition wars and I think that all participants are immature, whether they are 12 or 60.

@Exploder Wizard: James and I might bang heads, but he puts out a solid product. The art on that is beautiful and I will be buying a copy too.

 

[Bullgrit]

people (like me) can see this as a jab

Ariosto is a known lover of classic D&D, but here he's being accused of taking a jab at those who love classic D&D.

I literally snorted in laughter at this.

Ariosto, welcome to my world.

Bullgrit

 

[ancientvaults]

Ariosto is a known lover of classic D&D, but here he's being accused of taking a jab at those who love classic D&D.

I literally snorted in laughter at this.

Ariosto, welcome to my world.

Bullgrit

Sorry, I don't keep track of the personalities, likes and dislikes of the 90,553 members of this website.

 

[Ariosto]

"Classic D&D"?
CLS is for "real" grognards!


Photo from the Yahoo group:

 

[jaerdaph]

The G Word

I think I'm now of the opinion that "grognard" is sort of like the N word:

It's only okay if you call yourself (or your immediate circle of friends) one.

Yea I'm out that Greyhawk, now I'm down in Eberron
right next to Ken Baker, but I'll be Grog forever
I'm the new Ed Greenwood, and... since I played it here
I can play it anywhere, yea, they love me everywhere

Please don't hate me, Jay Z...