HeavenShallBurn
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Damn
*Lowers Hand*
Sorry Lawful Evil here. Do you have any crimes against humanity I could commit instead?
*Lowers Hand*
Sorry Lawful Evil here. Do you have any crimes against humanity I could commit instead?
Grognard's First Take On 4e
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Alynnalizza
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hmm, interesting opinions of open/closed minds...
I will state I AM Close-minded when it comes to 4E. I don't want to read,play, or have anything to do with 4E. That is close-minded. Heck, even if the books feel into my lap, I wouldn't give them the benefit of the reading.
Open-mindness: adjective
1. having or showing a mind receptive to new ideas or arguments.
2. unprejudiced; unbigoted; impartial.
there are clearly two definitions of open-minded. I believe the OP is right in their opinion. They were receptive to new ideas even if they don't want to run 4E. Those saying he wasn't surely are using definition 2 here, once again, both are right
I will state I AM Close-minded when it comes to 4E. I don't want to read,play, or have anything to do with 4E. That is close-minded. Heck, even if the books feel into my lap, I wouldn't give them the benefit of the reading.
Open-mindness: adjective
1. having or showing a mind receptive to new ideas or arguments.
2. unprejudiced; unbigoted; impartial.
there are clearly two definitions of open-minded. I believe the OP is right in their opinion. They were receptive to new ideas even if they don't want to run 4E. Those saying he wasn't surely are using definition 2 here, once again, both are right
Wulf Ratbane
Adventurer
Wormwood said:
I guess that depends on whether you are looking at his open-mindedness with regards to wanting to like 4e or wanting to run 4e.
I'm certainly open-minded when it comes to BASE jumping. I'm sure it's crazy fun. I have no intention of ever BASE jumping.
He said he was hoping 4e would be cool. He put down his hard-earned money and bought KotS.
That open-minded gesture is irrelevant if he didn't subsequently like what he saw?
Brown Jenkin
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My biggest concern as well is the leveling of all the classes in terms of complexity. Right now I am playing a Fighter because it is simple, I don't have to do much but stand there and hit things and it is fun when I am in the mood for that. In the past I have also played spellcasters and my next character will likely be a Wizard because I am looking forward to that level of complexity again. Both types of play are fun for me but rely on different mindsets. I am not really interested in a system where everyone is forced to play at higher level of tactics and complexity to be successful. To me that would get draining in even the medium run and force me out of D&D altogether and into either a different RPG system or out of RPGs for awhile.
Why? What benefit would you possibly gain from being so obtuse and obstinate? Does it satisfy you to feel like you're taking a firm stance on something, even if it means you're being bull-headed, willfully ignorant, and deliberately left behind? Do you thing you achieve some elusive nobility by acting this way?
I only ask because of the bolded comment, which just flatly makes no sense to me. Seriously.. why would you not even give them a read? What would make the books so beneath you?
shadowguidex
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It's human nature for some to fear change - without them the balance would be off, and we'd be flooded by the happy-go-lucky optimists who think anything new is better.
I for one plan to implement a conversion to 4E because, from a DM's perspective, I will have much more time to devote to crafting a good storyline and descriptions, instead of spending the bulk of my time crafting varied and unique monsters as it is now. Creating a squad of orcs with varied roles in 3E is terrible. In 4E it's a breeze. Logic dictates my conversion with simple time-efficiency being at the heart.
That said, I'm not thrilled with every change, but I'm not horrified by any change either.
I for one plan to implement a conversion to 4E because, from a DM's perspective, I will have much more time to devote to crafting a good storyline and descriptions, instead of spending the bulk of my time crafting varied and unique monsters as it is now. Creating a squad of orcs with varied roles in 3E is terrible. In 4E it's a breeze. Logic dictates my conversion with simple time-efficiency being at the heart.
That said, I'm not thrilled with every change, but I'm not horrified by any change either.
JeffB
Legend
This grog should have his copy tonite- I hope.
Frankly, I'm very happy its NOT 3.X, which for my tastes had good intentions on the part of the design team, but very flawed execution. I'm a pre-3 Grog
To me (so far) 4E seems to kinda have an old Basic D&D free-wheeling type of vibe-along with 3.xs "options"- which **should** make a good combo. I have my reservations about certain things, but I'll pick up the core books before I make any final decision (Have them pre-ordered). If its good, I'll introduce my son to it,pick up the Necro stuff when it's available, and maybe even sign up for DDI for some online play. If not, off to ebay my books go, and play something else.
Frankly, I'm very happy its NOT 3.X, which for my tastes had good intentions on the part of the design team, but very flawed execution. I'm a pre-3 Grog
To me (so far) 4E seems to kinda have an old Basic D&D free-wheeling type of vibe-along with 3.xs "options"- which **should** make a good combo. I have my reservations about certain things, but I'll pick up the core books before I make any final decision (Have them pre-ordered). If its good, I'll introduce my son to it,pick up the Necro stuff when it's available, and maybe even sign up for DDI for some online play. If not, off to ebay my books go, and play something else.
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