D&D 5E Hadozee Gliding

[Stormonu]

Okay, hadozees have an interesting glide ability. However, I'm uncomfortable with one section of it, as I can see it prone to abuse. I'm in favor of a rewrite of it. Quoting the original text below:

Glide. If you are not incapacitated or wearing heavy armor, you can extend your skin membranes and glide. When you do so, you can perform the following aerial maneuvers:

• You can move up to 5 feet horizontally for every 1 foot you descend in the air, at no movement cost to you.
• When you would take damage from a fall, you can use your reaction to reduce the fall’s damage to 0.

My initial rewrite:

You can glide up to 60 feet a round. For every 5 feet you move horizontally, you descend 1 foot. You can continue gliding as long as you have the vertical space to do so. If you wish to land, you must be at least 3 feet (or half your character height?) above the ground level to not land prone. If you land as part of your movement, your speed is reduced by 1 foot for every 2 feet you spend gliding.

Hopefully, this should prevent the hop-charging barbarian. It should still allow hadozee characters to glide down from a tree, land and move a few feet to do other things. It should also allow the hadozee character to jump from cliff ledge to ledge, drop down a bit and land on the ground and get (a bit) closer to an enemy, without it being over the top.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Just in general, no one actually moves just 1 foot in D&D, so... for every 25 feet, you descend 5?

Also, totally allowing hop-charging monkee-barian, which is the most important part.

 

[jgsugden]

My fix: You can move up to 5 feet horizontally for every 1 foot you descend in the air. The first 30 feet horizontally has no movemet cost to you, but each additional foot counts against your movement as per normal.

 

[Stormonu]

@jgsugden that would work for most situations, but what if the hadozee wants to do a "power dive" or partial dive as part of their gliding?

 

[Weiley31]

WoTC: Oh goodness, thank Ao we keep bounded accuracy in check, and nothing gets broken.

Player: What about the Hadozee's gliding and the Thri-Kreen's Chameleon Carapace for Thri-Kreen Monks?

WoTC:

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Thri-Kreen's Chameleon Carapace for Thri-Kreen Monks?

It's no different from lizardfolk, who have been in the game for ages, is it?

 

[James Gasik]

Now if you're talking about Tortle Monks...

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Now if you're talking about Tortle Monks...

I don't see any issues with tortle monks. There isn't really any advantage in being able to dump dexterity or wisdom. You can have lousy initiative and ability save DCs, in exchange for a few more hp and being better at athletics.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

On the Hadozee, one way of thinking about this is if you are playing on 5 foot grid squares, if you are within 5 feet of the ground you are ON the ground (since you have to occupy your cube) and therefore cannot glide.

 

[Stormonu]

Out of curiosity, what's wonky with the Thri-Kreen chameleon carapace?

 

[Mecheon]

Hadozee can wavedash. True Smash Bros Melee hours

But yeah, I'd argue that just jumping isn't 'descending' and not enough to trigger it. Once you get a proper fall can go for the full 'welcome to super mario bros cape run' tricks

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Hadozee can wavedash. True Smash Bros Melee hours

But yeah, I'd argue that just jumping isn't 'descending' and not enough to trigger it. Once you get a proper fall can go for the full 'welcome to super mario bros cape run' tricks

Misty Step straight up, then glide 150 feet.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Out of curiosity, what's wonky with the Thri-Kreen chameleon carapace?

Nothing, I don't know why it was brought up.

 

[James Gasik]

Advantage on Stealth is good?

 

[jgsugden]

@jgsugden that would work for most situations, but what if the hadozee wants to do a "power dive" or partial dive as part of their gliding?

They get thirty extra free movement to do it and still take no damage from falling (when they use their reaction). I am having trouble seeing why a reasonable power dive would not work under my proposal.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Advantage on Stealth is good?

Good, yes. Broken, no.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

And does anybody know anything about the TNMT (= Treejumper Night Monk Tortles) in D&D?

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We should realise the hadozees with the patagium shouldn't can put on/wear the most of clothing for ordinary bipedal humanoids.

And to can glide the patagium has to be totally extended. If, for example, a hadozee falls into a pitfall trap, she couldn't glide in a so small space, but maybe the pantagium could help to reduce the damage by fall.

Maybe thanks special, and not too expensive, amulets with some shapesifter-like effects the hadozees can wear usual clothing and armours designed for the rest of bipedal humanoids.

 

[John R Davis]

Yeah the 1ft bit is not what 5th has been about. Very fiddly

 

[Umbran]

Yeah the 1ft bit is not what 5th has been about. Very fiddly

Fiddly in one sense, but requires less math in another sense.
If the glide is phrased in terms of 1 ft, you tell them their height, and they just have to multiply by 5 to get the distance.
In terms of 5 feet, you tell them their height, they have to divide by 5, then multiply by 25, to get the distance.

I think the point isn't to be fiddly with distance, but to remove the extra math operation.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Fiddly in one sense, but requires less math in another sense.
If the glide is phrased in terms of 1 ft, you tell them their height, and they just have to multiply by 5 to get the distance.
In terms of 5 feet, you tell them their height, they have to divide by 5, then multiply by 25, to get the distance.

I think the point isn't to be fiddly with distance, but to remove the extra math operation.

where I agree partialy can't you just as easily have it be "for every 5ft you fall (round down) you can move 10ft as a glide" and still not need to do math? "Your 67ft up, so you fall 67ft that mean you can glide 130ft"