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[Dog Moon]

cleric, I believe what he said was pathfinder, lists these on the spell filter on d20 prd for core only:

Bleed (Lvl 0)
Cause Fear (Lvl 1)
Curse Water (Lvl 1)
Deathwatch (Lvl 1)
Doom (Lvl 1)
Inflict Light Wounds (Lvl 1)
Blindness/Deafness (Lvl 2*)
Death Knell (Lvl 2*)
Inflict Moderate Wounds (Lvl 2*)
Gentle Repose (Lvl 3*)
Inflict Serious Wounds (Lvl 3*)
Speak with Dead (Lvl 3)
Animate Dead (Lvl 4*)
Bestow Curse (Lvl 4*)
Contagion (Lvl 4*)
Death Ward (Lvl 4*)
Inflict Critical Wounds (Lvl 4*)
Poison (Lvl 4*)
Inflict Light Wounds, Mass (Lvl 5*)
Mark of Justice (Lvl 5*)
Slay Living (Lvl 5*)
Symbol of Pain (Lvl 5)
Create Undead (Lvl 6)
Harm (Lvl 6*)
Inflict Moderate Wounds, Mass (Lvl 6*)
Symbol of Fear (Lvl 6)
Undeath to Death (Lvl 6)
Destruction (Lvl 7*)
Inflict Serious Wounds, Mass (Lvl 7*)
Symbol Of Weakness (Lvl 7)
Create Greater Undead (Lvl 8)
Inflict Critical Wounds, Mass (Lvl 8*)
Symbol of Death (Lvl 8)
Astral Projection (Lvl 9)
Energy Drain (Lvl 9)
Soul Bind (Lvl 9)

This looks like a decent spell-list to base things on. Thanks!

 

[megamania]

I have had several groups implode. Two brothers that defended each other when doing stupid things was the first. Then a party where the DM catered to his best friend. There was the 4 hour argument about the use of a cursed ring. My own- 3/4 of the group got involved with drugs. Now it's more about growing up and having families. game time is limited- myself included.

 

[megamania]

So much about Pathfinder that I like and so much I just can't seem to wrap my mind around. Pathfinder feels like a power creep in slow motion.

 

[Dog Moon]

What's the issue- Orcus' thing is ruling undead, after all.

What edition?

Yeah, that's why I picked Orcus. I want it to be the PCs go looking for the Necromancer and when they find the Necromancer [who is a Cleric], a Succubus Monk who is basically is S.O., a Banshee that was his previous love until the betrayal, a bone construct, and some minions... which I'm thinking about using Half-Fiend Juju Zombie Ettins. So yes the Necromancer has some Undead minions, but there's also some minions that hopefully will catch the PCs off guard. If anyone has some other suggestions, feel free to let me know.

I am particularly fond of the Succubus, though I have to make sure the rules work the way I think they do. The idea is to take some grapple feats, allowing her to quickly pin an opponent and then fly off with the person while the person is still pinned and go kissy kissy until the person is level drained to death. Hehehe...

 

[Darkness]

Pathfinder feels like a power creep in slow motion.

Is it that different from 3.0/3.5?

 

[trappedslider]

I feel slightly tempted to open an AMA thread in the AMA section about my faith

 

[Herobizkit]

Make sure you do it in the Politics/Religion allowed thread instead, just to be on the safe side.

 

[Blackrat]

Why would it be a challenge to get these days?

You can't buy it anywhere anymore, so getting it legally is impossible and last time I looked, it wasn't available on torrent sites either.

 

[Blackrat]

I remember trying etools back in the day. For some reason there was something I didn't like about it, though I don't remember what. Either way, I don't think it does Pathfinder though. There's always Herolab, but it's WAY too expensive unfortunately.

It has rather steep learning curve, so that might have put you off. And yeah, they stopped making it before pathfinder. You could input the data yourself to the last version, but that's a hassle

 

[Scott DeWar]

Pathfinder's power creep was toned way down compared to 3.x, but there is still a creep. No matter the edition, there will always be an imbalance because there will always be powergamers. I prefer Pathfinder over anything else, and won't play 4.x or 5.x even though I tried 5th ed. But I will stop there because I will not instigate an edition war, not even here.

One nice thing about pathfinder is you can convert 3.5 characters to pf and reverse it, even throw in 3.5 material into a pf game or vice versa.