Harassment At PaizoCon 2017

In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.

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In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.


Stories of harassment within tabletop gaming, at conventions and stores, and even in local gaming groups are nothing new. That is probably the saddest fact of this whole thing: that despite stories being brought to light, not only does harassment continue to happen but the existence of it continues to be denied by some. This denial is one of the factors that allows abuse and harassment to continue within tabletop RPGs.

Allegations of improper behavior at the 2017 PaizoCon by Frog God Games CEO Bill Webb were brought to life by Pathfinder content creator Robert Brookes. Brookes was attending PaizoCon and has written for Paizo and Legendary Games, among others. In an incident involving alcohol, Webb allegedly sexually harassed another guest at the convention and when a staffer attempted to intervene and injury occurred with the staffer.

In a thread about harassment and abuse on gaming forum RPGNet, Frog God Games partner Matt Finch, creator of the Swords & Wizardry retroclone, confirmed that the incident with Webb occurred, and revealed some details about an internal investigation that the partners of Frog God Games conducted into the incident:

"I am Matt Finch, the partner of Frog God Games appointed by the partners to investigate a sexual harassment complaint filed against Mr. Webb at PaizoCon 2017. Mr. Webb was not consulted by the partners on this decision. Due to recent accusations made on Twitter by a third party, I will outline the aspects of the situation to the extent that they do not compromise the confidentiality of the person who filed the report, I will describe the nature of our internal investigation, and will also address the recently-raised tweets by Robert Brookes on his twitter feed. This report will not necessarily be updated; it stands for itself at the time of posting, based on the knowledge I currently have.

"First, it is correct that a complaint was filed with Paizo at PaizoCon against Bill. I was made aware of this by phone on the day it happened (I was not present at the convention). Frog God is aware of the identity of the person who made the complaint, because they spoke to three of our partners at the convention after the event. We have not been invited to share that person’s identity, and although we are not under legal obligation to protect that confidentiality we have elected to respect that person’s desire not to have the event brought into the spotlight.

"Gathering information in a situation like this is necessarily limited due to Paizo’s own confidentiality obligations. To assemble information, I spoke to the three partners who had talked with the person who filed the complaint, and obtained their accounts of what they were told. Secondhand accounts are not perfect, and I had to weigh that against the fact that an attorney making direct contact with someone who has filed such a report can be seen as a threat or intimidation, and weighing those two issues, I chose to rely on a comparison of the conversations between the individual and our partners, plus Paizo’s own resolution of the matter at the time, plus a necessarily-cautious review of Bill’s account. There has been contact between the person who filed the complaint and Frog God partners since the event, and I will provide a screenshot of one such communication with the name redacted. I believe the screenshot provides a great deal of clarification.

"Reducing the event to a level that will maintain confidentiality, my understanding based on my investigation was that Bill Webb took an action and engaged in speech that could be construed as a sexual advance or as gender-dismissive.

"In consequence of this finding, I and another senior partner of the company had a meeting with Mr. Webb about expectations, standards of behavior, and future protocol. We addressed that one’s lack of bad intentions does not excuse problematic behavior.

"Some people have asked that Mr. Webb acknowledge and apologize for the situation. Bill does deeply regret his actions, and understands that they were inappropriate and upsetting. I have told Mr. Webb not to contact the person directly, for the same reason that I have not done so myself: the potential for that contact to appear intimidating or threatening. However, at whatever time the person lets us know that a direct apology from Mr. Webb would be welcomed, that apology will be immediately forthcoming. Mr. Webb is also under instruction not to discuss this matter in public, in case peripheral details were to be inadvertently disclosed that might allow the identification of the person by another party. This is also the reason we chose to have me, as the investigating partner, write the public report, given that a report has become necessary in response to a recent description of the event on Twitter."


We reached out to Webb for comment upon this incident, and we were directed to the RPGNet post by Finch. This is the company's official statement on what happened at PaizoCon. Whether or not there will be further repercussions within Frog God Games due to this incident and Webb's actions remain to be seen.

Paizo CEO Lisa Stevens has released an official statement on the incident on the Paizo forums. When EN World reached out to Paizo for official comment, we were directed to this statement:

"My name is Lisa Stevens and I am the CEO and owner of Paizo Inc. Events of the past few weeks have compelled me to make this statement.

"My company will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our employees, male or female. We will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our customers on paizo.com or at sanctioned organized play activities. Whenever I hear any allegations of sexual harassment or assault related to Paizo’s activities, I always immediately drop whatever I'm doing and I make getting to the bottom of these issues my top priority. We have banned people from paizo.com. We have banned people from participating in our organized play activities. We have stopped doing business with individuals. And we will continue to do so.
"As a woman and a survivor of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape, I know what it is like to be on the receiving end of these attacks. I know what it is like to feel the shame, the terror, how it changes your life forever. And because of this, I will never stand for my company to condone this behavior.

"Paizo’s employees are encouraged to come forward with any allegations of sexual harassment or assault and let a manager know as soon as possible. If criminal activities have taken place, they are encouraged to report it to the police and take legal action against the perpetrator. We have asked our employees to not engage in explosive and angry dialogue on paizo.com. We want our website to be a place where our customers feel safe and among friends. If there is problem on paizo.com, then our community team will handle it and, where appropriate, ban the perpetrator.

"In closing, you have my word that I have zero tolerance for sexual harassment and assault, and the same is true of Paizo. Please be aware that we treat these issues with tremendous sensitivity, and only disclose the specifics and resolutions of any such incidents on a need-to-know basis, even within Paizo or with our legal counsel. We do not and will not discuss these matters publicly. Every instance that I am aware of has been thoroughly investigated, and appropriate actions have been taken or are in the process of being taken. You have my word on this."


Unrelated to the PaizoCon incident, Brookes also revealed an incident of harassment within the Pathfinder Society organized play program. When a volunteer staffer reported this incident, their supervisor informed them that an NDA they had signed to be part of the program would not allow her to discuss this incident. Paizo has not officially commented on this incident or commented on whether or not there is an investigation into it.

If tabletop role-playing games are truly going to be an inclusive, we have to be better about not just reporting incidents of abuse and harassment but being dedicated to creating spaces that are safe and free of harassment of our fellow gamers. We also need to shine a spotlight onto the incidents of harassment that occur, it is the responsibility of journalists, bloggers and gamers to do this and let people know that their actions will come to light and that they will be held responsible. It is also important to not just talk about those parts of the gaming communities that we don't agree with, but to also bring to light the improper actions of those companies and communities with whom we do agree, because unless every act of harassment is revealed there will be no change within our communities.

Remember that EN World is an inclusive community.
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Libramarian

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You’re just making things up.

Follow along Morrus: in Frog God Games' full statement regarding the incident (not the truncated version appearing in the article here), Matt Finch originally included a screenshot of a conversation an FGG partner had with the harassment victim BJ Hensley. Hensley asked that this image be removed. I expressed concern that she wanted her words removed because they contradict the much more widely publicized version of events on Twitter.

An individual reading the thread who wishes to remain anonymous just sent me a copy of this image.

I can't repost it here, but I will say that the tone on both sides was easygoing and conciliatory and in fact it's remarked that others are "misrepresenting it all to support their desires and issues". I can confirm that it supports FGG's statement in every way that it disputes the version of events on Twitter.
 

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No, again there is a disagreement about what sort of harassment occurred, and especially about whether there was actually an altercation that injured a Paizo staff member.

Brookes on Twitter says there was. Frog God Games conducts an internal investigation that includes a conversation with Hensley and says there was not. I think this is important.

This is a possible scenario that comports with Hensley's account but not Brookes':
Bill Webb, while inebriated, made a flirtatious remark to Hensley. She rebuffed him and left. He followed her to apologize but was stopped by Paizo staff who asked him to leave her alone. He did. Hensley filed a harassment complaint.

If this is what happened, I'd appreciate it if he made a personal statement apologizing for his behavior, and ideally making a commitment to avoid alcohol at cons in the future, but I wouldn't think he should suffer life-changing professional repercussions.

This is a different possible scenario that seems more in line with Brookes' description:
Bill Webb, while inebriated, made a flirtatious remark to Hensley. She asked him to stop but he continued to harass her. She called for help as Webb became more agitated and violent. A Paizo staff member attempted to step between Webb and Hensley. Webb twisted his arm until he heard the bones snap and bodyslammed him through a table. He then spent the rest of the night searching for Hensley through the hotel like Jack Torrance in The Shining. Hensley filed a harassment complaint.

If that's what happened, I totally would support a boycott of FGG products until he's ousted from the company.

What on earth are you even talking about?
 

Follow along Morrus: in Frog God Games' full statement regarding the incident (not the truncated version appearing in the article here), Matt Finch originally included a screenshot of a conversation an FGG partner had with the harassment victim BJ Hensley. Hensley asked that this image be removed. I expressed concern that she wanted her words removed because they contradict the much more widely publicized version of events on Twitter.

An individual reading the thread who wishes to remain anonymous just sent me a copy of this image.

I can't repost it here, but I will say that the tone on both sides was easygoing and conciliatory and in fact it's remarked that others are "misrepresenting it all to support their desires and issues". I can confirm that it supports FGG's statement in every way that it disputes the version of events on Twitter.

If you are referring to the screenshot that Matt Finch posted without permission to RPG.net and other places, no it absolutely does not say what you claim it is saying. Why are you trying so very hard to deny something that there is no disagreement about among those who were actually there?
 


fantasmamore

Explorer
Would you automatically go out and beat the hell out of Ed because Joe said he stole $50 from him?
No, I would not. I would believe Joe but I wouldn't judge Ed, mainly because I do not know all the facts and I am not properly trained to judge anyone in any case. But I would believe that Joe is a victim of theft, yes.

But when it comes to rape most people go well beyond sympathy and turn their sympathy into rather major attacks on the person being accused and as the Duke case proved that is very dangerous.
Well, rape is not the same as robbery. And yes, I get it, most people would get pitchforks and torches and march to the alleged "rapist" house. A rumor can destroy innocent people lives. Would you leave your child alone with someone accused of child abuse even if the court rules that it was a false accusation and the guy is innocent? I wouldn't. But would you ask what the child was wearing or would you dismiss the child's testimony as false because "children lie all the time"? That's the thing. But let's focus on our case for a moment. There are different sources that match the same conclusion; Webb did something wrong that night while being drunk and with his family somewhere close. The woman is the victim here. Her feelings is all that matters. Hers and mr Webb's family members that could read these lines now knowing that it's about their father / husband / brother / son... They are his victims too.
 

Hussar

Legend
Libramarian said:
What's very unlikely is that there is a misogynistic bias to believe the man over the woman in a dispute. A large body of evidence exists showing that in fact we are biased to consider women more trustworthy than men (among many other positive attributes).

Are you serious? Naw, you're too well read in the area to be serious here. You are obviously making some sort of joke that's just a bit too subtle for me to catch. You can't seriously be suggesting that there is a bias towards believing women in harassment/sexual assault cases.

Good grief.
 

Azgulor

Adventurer
While this thread has certainly devolved into baseless speculation and talking past others, if anyone is interested, BJ Hensley posted a comment on her Facebook page on 10/26. In her post, she talks about "many good men" in the industry. She cites that the list is not a complete list but ones that jumped out at me include:
Erik Mona, Owen KC Stevens
Greg Vaughan, Matt Finch, Skeeter Green
Robert Brookes

I realize for conspiracy theorists and flamethrowing-boycott wielders alike that list may be inconvenient, since the list includes the guy who highlighted the issue, staff at Paizo, and staff at Frog God Games.

Take what you will from that.

What I take away from it is that she is a person of courage, grace, and kindness and she has my respect. She and her family are in my prayers.
 


Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Wow, the stench of MRA in this thread is impressive.

I'm grateful that the majority of participants are clearly and emphatically explaining why they are wrong. While it would be better that people would already know themselves why things like victim blaming, siding with harassers, and so on, make for a hostile environment for women, it's fortunate that those who don't are visibly challenged. That helps to send the message that we (being the majority, fortunately) do not accept, condone, or agree with such viewpoints.

So I would like to thank those in this thread who have reinforced the position that we - as the in the gaming community - fully stand behind inclusiveness, and fully stand against harassment. It's a damn shame that we need to, but it's important that we do it.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Follow along Morrus: in Frog God Games' full statement regarding the incident (not the truncated version appearing in the article here), Matt Finch originally included a screenshot of a conversation an FGG partner had with the harassment victim BJ Hensley. Hensley asked that this image be removed. I expressed concern that she wanted her words removed because they contradict the much more widely publicized version of events on Twitter.

An individual reading the thread who wishes to remain anonymous just sent me a copy of this image.

I can't repost it here, but I will say that the tone on both sides was easygoing and conciliatory and in fact it's remarked that others are "misrepresenting it all to support their desires and issues". I can confirm that it supports FGG's statement in every way that it disputes the version of events on Twitter.

I think you need to stop posting in this thread. This victim blaming is utterly unacceptable. And we're not interested in what conveniently anonymous people are showing you images of that you can't post here. In case I haven't been absolutely, abundantly, and repeatedly clear: this community is no place for crap like this.
 

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