Krensky
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Ok. This would make me play 4e too.
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Ok. This would make me play 4e too.
Thunderfoot
Hero
I'll agree with Umbran - if Kevin was running the "Candyland" RPG or the Barbie adventures RPG I'd saddle up and play.
But as for 4e wholesale - the horse is out of the barn, gone to the glue factory and is already in a kindergartner's tasty eating paste....
There are some really good aspects of 4e - combat however (healing surges, powers, class "roles") all just made me have seizures. Also, the points of light and the new magic items for everybody pretty much made me puke, and the absence of multi-classing didn't even bother me all that much in the first place.
I can't say I'm looking forward to a 5e, simply because if the target audience gets any younger (and if the marketing department at WotC is smart, it will) it will probably be a CCG or an interactive video game (yuck). I'm old, much older than I look and I just can't take the weird video game style rules or the wire-fu inspired combat. I don't blame people for liking it, it just isn't for me.
But as for 4e wholesale - the horse is out of the barn, gone to the glue factory and is already in a kindergartner's tasty eating paste....
There are some really good aspects of 4e - combat however (healing surges, powers, class "roles") all just made me have seizures. Also, the points of light and the new magic items for everybody pretty much made me puke, and the absence of multi-classing didn't even bother me all that much in the first place.
I can't say I'm looking forward to a 5e, simply because if the target audience gets any younger (and if the marketing department at WotC is smart, it will) it will probably be a CCG or an interactive video game (yuck). I'm old, much older than I look and I just can't take the weird video game style rules or the wire-fu inspired combat. I don't blame people for liking it, it just isn't for me.
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Vegepygmy
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I try to keep an open mind, so if somebody asked me to give it one more try...sure, I'd sit down and play a session. But I seriously doubt there's anything that could fix the problems I have with 4e, which are pretty much rooted in the game's framework.
(There are some things I really like about 4e. But they are heavily outweighed by the things I don't.)
Monkey Boy
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I don't get your premise? WOTC release a box set that's friendly to newbs and you ask if people who have been playing D&D for years and decided to skip 4e will have a change of heart? The new red box was never intended to appeal to grognards and 4e hold outs, and so the answer for me is no. I would be surprised if you got a yes response. There is nothing in the release schedule that I think appeals to holdouts, especially those on ENWorld.
howandwhy99
Adventurer
It's not even the same category of game as earlier versions of D&D are. The new books still will not includen any portion of the reasons why I play roleplaying games. But I am glad they are trying to appeal to younger audiences and publishing beginner products for non-players.
Aus_Snow
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Bizarrely, I find myself agreeing with howandwhy99. Still, stranger things have happened.
Anyway, no, I'm not at all interested in '4e'. Not now, not ever. Let me know when 5e's out, and I'll give it an honest appraisal, as I have with every edition I've seen (and, actually, that's all of them atm.)
When first hearing about 3e, I was very sceptical. But it won me over. . . more or less. Perhaps the next edition (if other people are in charge[?]) will be the same in that way.
Anyway, no, I'm not at all interested in '4e'. Not now, not ever. Let me know when 5e's out, and I'll give it an honest appraisal, as I have with every edition I've seen (and, actually, that's all of them atm.)
When first hearing about 3e, I was very sceptical. But it won me over. . . more or less. Perhaps the next edition (if other people are in charge[?]) will be the same in that way.
alleynbard
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I am going to try it again, but that has nothing to do with the box sets.
Quite frankly, at the risk of sounding dumb, I don't think I "got" 4e the first time through. While I enjoyed the game and slid into not liking the game, I feel like I missed something in process. Honestly, I was trying so hard to hold on to 3e that the design precepts of 4e alluded me.
While I enjoy Pathfinder and find it to be a fulfilling game, I have some of the same issues I had with 3e. Which was expected, of course. We are playing a PFRPG campaign right now. Unfortunately, due to a number of varying issues, some totally outside of gaming, I am having some problems with the current campaign.
So, I am giving it a fair chance again and I am working hard on shifting my perceptions and just "play" 4e. I have some ideas I want to work on, so the setting and material will be my own creation. However, I will be depending on the default setting material for a lot, just expanding it as needed, developing my own region, etc.
By the way, I think the Essentials line is fantastic. My nieces will be the first people I buy the "red box" for. My first exposure to D&D was the original red box. So, if this product is able to grab these kids like that box set did for me, I will be overjoyed. They love gaming, but I think something that focuses on introductory material would work well for them.
Quite frankly, at the risk of sounding dumb, I don't think I "got" 4e the first time through. While I enjoyed the game and slid into not liking the game, I feel like I missed something in process. Honestly, I was trying so hard to hold on to 3e that the design precepts of 4e alluded me.
While I enjoy Pathfinder and find it to be a fulfilling game, I have some of the same issues I had with 3e. Which was expected, of course. We are playing a PFRPG campaign right now. Unfortunately, due to a number of varying issues, some totally outside of gaming, I am having some problems with the current campaign.
So, I am giving it a fair chance again and I am working hard on shifting my perceptions and just "play" 4e. I have some ideas I want to work on, so the setting and material will be my own creation. However, I will be depending on the default setting material for a lot, just expanding it as needed, developing my own region, etc.
By the way, I think the Essentials line is fantastic. My nieces will be the first people I buy the "red box" for. My first exposure to D&D was the original red box. So, if this product is able to grab these kids like that box set did for me, I will be overjoyed. They love gaming, but I think something that focuses on introductory material would work well for them.
GnomeWorks
Adventurer
My irritation with 4e is largely philosophical, not mechanical.
As such, unless they decide to renege on a lot of their design tenets (which I sincerely doubt will happen), I will not play it again.
As such, unless they decide to renege on a lot of their design tenets (which I sincerely doubt will happen), I will not play it again.
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