Hasbro won't back off from deauthorizing the OGL, and nor should they.


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Jer

Legend
Supporter
While they may not care, many DMs will care. These are the people who buy the most product and run the games.
Yeah, I'm already not planning on running any more "learn to play D&D" sessions for the kids. And my own kid is a DM and is thinking about what system they want to switch their own game to.

One thing that Wizards hasn't considered is that every DM is a potential author/publisher. We all have our notes and our scenarios and our custom monsters and settings. Only a minority will actually do it, but many think about it. So a lot of us are probably naturally more sympathetic to the independent creators than the sales of 3rd party product might indicate.
 


SoonRaccoon

Explorer
I disagree that they are right (from a shareholder perspective) to deauthorize the OGL 1.0a. Look at the blow back they've received because of it. So far, it's been an absolute fiasco for them.

If I were Chris Cao, and I wanted to achieve his goals, I'd probably take the approach of boiling a frog. Leave the OGL 1.0a in place, but slowly move the D&D ecosystem far enough away from the original 5e rules that the 5e SRD becomes irrelevant to the new ecosystem. It would take longer, but they'd be able to build their walled garden with far fewer people noticing.

I feel a little gross having typed that.
 



As I opined here, and here, Hasbro will largely get what it wants and that will be potentially good for other ttrpgs, especially dnd-adjacent games. What Hasbro seems to want is a walled garden around dnd both as a game and as an IP. They'll get that, and other games will get disaffected fans.

Since we're speculating, my guess is that onednd will be profitable and fairly popular but will also be seen as kind of "uncool." The Nickleback of TTRPGs, if you will. This isn't even a new phenomenon, as dnd always thrived with the Munchkin audience who eventually outgrew it. 5e + stranger things made it seem retrocool, in part imo due to it being an analog and creative antidote to our more digital lives.
 







Jaeger

That someone better
Wotzi has utterly surprised me, and have seemingly waived the white flag:

The question now seems: Do these 3pp stick to their guns?

And maybe I'm just super cynical - but I'm looking at this whole "We're giving you what you want" from a corporation sideways...
 






...from a business and investor perspective. From a moral standpoint? I think we all agree it's wrong what they are doing. From a legal standpoint? The jury is still out (no pun intended) and split, but the important thing is who has the money to fight them in court to find that out.

But what I've seen is a whole lot of emotional reactions to this. I've been one of them. As a 3PP, this impacts me directly. But I think if we set aside emotion and look at factual data, Hasbro has already won. There is no war. Sure, Paizo sold out, but that's not sustainable. Sure, it made the news, but so did the Magic the Gathering debacle, and that was forgotten about after a couple weeks. And Magic has a lot more revenue weight than D&D does.

So what are the facts?
  • Folks talking about this on social media do not represent the majority of gamers (never have, never will). The outrage ratio on social media is not matched by the outrage ratio of gamers in general.
  • The most recent revenue reporting we have is from 3rd quarter. In that report, for 3qtr, Hasbro has revenue of $1.676 Billion. Out of that WotC accounted for roughly $300 million.
  • We have heard WotC brass say their goal was to get D&D to $150 million per year. That means it isn't there yet. But for sake of argument let's assume it is. That's roughly $37.5 million per quarter. That's what? 2.2% of total Hasbro revenue?
  • The biggest losses in Hasbro are in the Entertainment division (-34%)

What does that mean?
Let's say for sake of argument that this OGL mess causes a 10% drop in D&D sales (I very much doubt it will be anywhere close to that. FLGS owners I've talked to all say D&D is still selling as normal, even if the new people in charge of distribution are jacking things up). But let's say it's 10%. That's a $3.7 million loss per quarter. Or 0.2%. That's not even going to make the radar to investors. I've seen a lot of folks say the OGL is driving the Hasbro stock down. No it's not. Not even close. Firstly, there's no correlation between the OGL and the stock of Hasbro on a daily basis going back two months. Secondly, it's 0.2% or less. Thirdly, by looking at the revenue reports, we can see what it is. It's those other divisions that are taking bigger hits.

The OGL debacle won't significantly impact Hasbro's value and they know it. That's why they aren't backing down on that part. The costs to get control of their IP is insignificant to the overall value of the company.

What can we do about it?
I can't fight Hasbro in court, and and I don't want to because I don't trust them. We can move away from the OGL completely. Or we can adopt the new version. Those are our realistic choices, and the sooner we accept it, the better. It sucks. It's not fair. But business isn't fair. It's inherently corrupt that rewards the lawful evil among us (to use a D&D term). This mess will die down as we move to something else to be outraged about, and we'll be in the same boat.

I hope I'm wrong. But looking at the actual facts (financials), and I don't see the incentive for Hasbro to back off completely and keep the old OGL unless a judge forces them to. All of the 3PP who used the OGL combined is just a few million.

Hasbro wants this nightmare to go away and a long drawn out court case
...from a business and investor perspective. From a moral standpoint? I think we all agree it's wrong what they are doing. From a legal standpoint? The jury is still out (no pun intended) and split, but the important thing is who has the money to fight them in court to find that out.

But what I've seen is a whole lot of emotional reactions to this. I've been one of them. As a 3PP, this impacts me directly. But I think if we set aside emotion and look at factual data, Hasbro has already won. There is no war. Sure, Paizo sold out, but that's not sustainable. Sure, it made the news, but so did the Magic the Gathering debacle, and that was forgotten about after a couple weeks. And Magic has a lot more revenue weight than D&D does.

So what are the facts?
  • Folks talking about this on social media do not represent the majority of gamers (never have, never will). The outrage ratio on social media is not matched by the outrage ratio of gamers in general.
  • The most recent revenue reporting we have is from 3rd quarter. In that report, for 3qtr, Hasbro has revenue of $1.676 Billion. Out of that WotC accounted for roughly $300 million.
  • We have heard WotC brass say their goal was to get D&D to $150 million per year. That means it isn't there yet. But for sake of argument let's assume it is. That's roughly $37.5 million per quarter. That's what? 2.2% of total Hasbro revenue?
  • The biggest losses in Hasbro are in the Entertainment division (-34%)

What does that mean?
Let's say for sake of argument that this OGL mess causes a 10% drop in D&D sales (I very much doubt it will be anywhere close to that. FLGS owners I've talked to all say D&D is still selling as normal, even if the new people in charge of distribution are jacking things up). But let's say it's 10%. That's a $3.7 million loss per quarter. Or 0.2%. That's not even going to make the radar to investors. I've seen a lot of folks say the OGL is driving the Hasbro stock down. No it's not. Not even close. Firstly, there's no correlation between the OGL and the stock of Hasbro on a daily basis going back two months. Secondly, it's 0.2% or less. Thirdly, by looking at the revenue reports, we can see what it is. It's those other divisions that are taking bigger hits.

The OGL debacle won't significantly impact Hasbro's value and they know it. That's why they aren't backing down on that part. The costs to get control of their IP is insignificant to the overall value of the company.

What can we do about it?
I can't fight Hasbro in court, and and I don't want to because I don't trust them. We can move away from the OGL completely. Or we can adopt the new version. Those are our realistic choices, and the sooner we accept it, the better. It sucks. It's not fair. But business isn't fair. It's inherently corrupt that rewards the lawful evil among us (to use a D&D term). This mess will die down as we move to something else to be outraged about, and we'll be in the same boat.

I hope I'm wrong. But looking at the actual facts (financials), and I don't see the incentive for Hasbro to back off completely and keep the old OGL unless a judge forces them to. All of the 3PP who used the OGL combined is just a few million.

Well this didn't age well.
 

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