D&D General Have Githzerai always been jerks?

[lowkey13]

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[neogod22]

Yeah, actually, that is the case.

Based on EVERY BIT OF INFORMATION IN 1e. I mean, you can CAPITALIZE SLAADI, but it doesn't change the text.

Again, you can run it like you want, but every single source, from Fiend Folio to Manual of the Planes, says the same thing.

They "exist in relative peace". Thanks!

EDIT- you might also need to unlearn lore you picked up from later editions in order to understand this. For example, there is nothing in the Fiend Folio, or 1e, about how the Githzerai disregard the safety of every being in the multiverse. The amount of information about the Gith in 1e is fairly minimal.

That's fine if you're running 1e and want to not pay attention to the evolution of the D&D universe. But the majority of people playing the game play 5e, and should focus on updated relevant information.

 

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[Charlaquin]

EDIT- you might also need to unlearn lore you picked up from later editions in order to understand this. For example, there is nothing in the Fiend Folio, or 1e, about how the Githzerai disregard the safety of every being in the multiverse. The amount of information about the Gith in 1e is fairly minimal.

This is good advice any time you transition from one edition to another. Treat each edition as its own, independent game, with its own lore and mechanics, and you will likely have a better experience than you will if you carry over assumptions from other editions.

 

[lowkey13]

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[aco175]

I'm sure they think they are acting fine. At least they are not gnomes.

 

[lowkey13]

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[neogod22]

This is good advice any time you transition from one edition to another. Treat each edition as its own, independent game, with its own lore and mechanics, and you will likely have a better experience than you will if you carry over assumptions from other editions.

You could, but D&D actually have a timeline, and every edition starts and ends with a major event that changes the shape of the settings as a whole. I think the Time of Troubles ended 1st edition and started 2nd. Vecna becoming a greater God ended 2nd edition and started 3rd. Mystra's death and the spell plague started 4th, and her resurrection started 5th.

 

[Umbran]

Based on EVERY BIT OF INFORMATION IN 1e.

And we are limited to that one source, because.... why, exactly?

 

[Charlaquin]

Yes; but sometimes, you are running a particular edition in a different way.

For example, I run 5e in a classic Greyhawk sandbox with 1e-style lore and cosmology, with occasional 5e frills (I did add some of the Volo's lore, because it was cool and interesting). But I know in my head, for the most part, which parts I am taking from which edition.

Oh, for sure! If you’re intentionally taking parts you like from each game, that’s a very different story than if you just treat them all as updates to the same game.

Well, except that I'm getting older, and everything kind of blends together in a great big undifferentiated GygaxianMearls slushie, with dog and draconic kobolds holding hands and singing Kumbayah.

And I’m just over here like “you know what’d be cool? If kobolds were like rats!”

 

[Charlaquin]

You could, but D&D actually have a timeline, and every edition starts and ends with a major event that changes the shape of the settings as a whole. I think the Time of Troubles ended 1st edition and started 2nd. Vecna becoming a greater God ended 2nd edition and started 3rd. Mystra's death and the spell plague started 4th, and her resurrection started 5th.

It sounds like you’re talking specifically about Forgotten Realms. Forgotten Realms does indeed have a continuity that spans across the editions. But D&D’s lore is not limited to FR, and the FR continuity is not limited to D&D.

 

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[jasper]

They co-exist. But they will fight to death over the last fudge sickle in the Limbo's ice cream truck!

 

[neogod22]

It sounds like you’re talking specifically about Forgotten Realms. Forgotten Realms does indeed have a continuity that spans across the editions. But D&D’s lore is not limited to FR, and the FR continuity is not limited to D&D.

I know, but FR is the living world. In 1st edition it was Greyhawk, but they really haven't updated any other world, mostly just reset them if they do come out. So you can really look at FR as the main world. It would be nice if they updated everything, and they may eventually do that since they updated Eborron. I personally would rather play Dark Sun or Ravneloft (I hated they reset). But it looks like WotC is only focusing on 1 world, but may put the others out as unsupported suppliments.

 

[jasper]

That's fine if you're running 1e and want to not pay attention to the evolution of the D&D universe. But the majority of people playing the game play 5e, and should focus on updated relevant information.

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lol lol lol lol lol lol
Lore only counts if I have the book and have accepted it into my campaign. lowkey13 is slightly scummy since he allows the Oriental book. I took a read at and tossed on my shelf. Never bought Manuel of Planes because it screamed cash grab. There is only the PHB for players. There is only monster manuals and DMG for DMs. The rest of you are doing bad wrong no fun.

 

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[neogod22]

Just ... stop. What, did you figure out the 3e thing yet?

I can always tell on these sites the ppl who always have to have the last word, and I will literally will keep trolling you everytime you respond, just to drive you crazy.

 

[Tony Vargas]

Hey- OA is, arguably, the last good 1e book!*
I mean, c'mon, it's better than the flaming dumpster fire that is Unearthed Arcana.

I think it may have been CN. Or LN.
Whatever, it's dumpster was on fire, too.

If we're willing to let FF slide, I'd nominate MMII as the last good 1e book.

 

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