HBO to make George R.R. Martin' SoI&F into a series...

Steel_Wind said:
No - they bought the rights. They did not take out a mere option.

They could choose to cancel production - but they bought the rights just the same. GRRM acknowledged they closed the deal and are cutting cheques for this.

Seeing as they have producers and exec producers hired and are going into pre-production - this looks like it will happen.

No guarantees - but not a mere option.
Where does it say they're going into pre-production? Martin's SO specifically says they're not. In Hollywoodspeak you acquire the option to make a film or series from a book, and you pay money for being the only person/company who has the option to make a film or series from that book. People get paid. Authors make hundreds of thousands and even millions of dollars from options, options that never turn into films. His SO specifically says it's an option on his messageboards: where do you get that it's not an option?
 

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Olgar Shiverstone said:
(Though I predict losing 75% of their viewers after the Red Wedding.)

No kidding. I had to put down the book for a day or two after that. Spoilers: When you read that part a second time Martin practically screams ambush at you, but the first time it's like you won't let yourself believe it will actually happen. It's kind of like the execution in AGoT - it really shocks you the first time.

Hopefully this will get Martin in gear to finish this series. AFfC took forever to come out and I'm eagerly anticipating ADwD.
 

This is exciting news. HBO has the ability to really do this right.

Now, As I understand from reading George's Blog, and Parris's post is that nothing had been greenlit. In this case the option is the purchase of the rights. Nothing is assured of being made. Personally I emailed HBO yestrday to congratulate them on the move, and to encourage the development of the show. If you want to see this made, I'd suggest that contacting HBO and expressing your support for the product would be a good idea.

As to how this might impact the completion of ASOIAF I don't know. It gets done when it gets done. George is certainly capable of turning out a great novel every two years as evidenced by books 1-3. He is also capable of getting stuck and turning out a novel that needed to be split in 5 years time. I expect that ADWD will come out within a year. late 2007 at the earliest, possibly 2008 wrapping the last two books in two years a piece is doable making the 2011 timeframe seem possible, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

From what I understand, this should take a huge amount of time, He will be an executive producer, which can be a small time commitment. He is also commited to screenwrite one episode of season 1, not the whole season, so the time commitment should not be excessive.
He does have experience in writting for Hollywood from his Beauty and the Beast days.

Anyway I think the positives of this development far outweigh any possible negatives, and I am incredibly excited about this.
 

Fast Learner said:
Where does it say they're going into pre-production? Martin's SO specifically says they're not. In Hollywoodspeak you acquire the option to make a film or series from a book, and you pay money for being the only person/company who has the option to make a film or series from that book. People get paid. Authors make hundreds of thousands and even millions of dollars from options, options that never turn into films. His SO specifically says it's an option on his messageboards: where do you get that it's not an option?

Because when books or scripts get "optioned", they are preserved by a studio for a brief period of time to consider whether or not they will acquire the rights on an exclusive basis.

That is a mere option. It is a legal exclusive interest which gives Party A the exclusive option to buy something from Party B during the term of the option.

Mere options happen all the time anytime anyone reviews a script and they are hardly newsworthy. Options are somtimes paid for, but it is unusual to pay a lot for them.

When you buy the rights, you buy them either outright or for a period of time, within which the licensed property must be filmed or the rights revert back to the author. Some people call this an option - but that isn't what it is. That's a rights acquisition for an agreed sum which may be defeasible on the happening of an event (failure to release a film by 2011, say)- a very different sort of deal than a mere option.

I think DragonLance must have been optioned a dozen times before a movie deal was finally signed last year.

The purchase of rights - which is what has happened in this case, is not a mere option. It does not necessarily commit the studio to production - but it is not a mere option. GRRM notes that the deal for the rights closed a few days back.

There is a distinction on a legal and customary basis as to what a mere option is - and this isn't one. GRRM is committed to write an episode and to exec-produce. That is not a mere option. If George happens to call it that on his website in the subject line of his blog post - - sorry George, that isn't what an option is.

When writers and producers and exec producers for a project have been hired and they are looking for shooting locations - that's called pre-production.

It is not only casting and spending money on costumes, props and sets - which is what you may have come to think pre-production is. While that is pre-production as well - that does not make the current explorations any less steps in the pre-production process.

People get too involved with the term "greenlit". What is meant by greenlighting is that project funds are supplied for casting, principal photography, physical assets and post-production costs. That's greenlighting.

Sometimes it comes in stages. Weta Workshop created a boatload of propos and costumes before the movie itself was greenlit for actual casting and photography. The practice varies from film to film.

Greenlighting does not mean a mere commitment of money committed for pre-production exploration, expected casting costs, basic scripts and budget exploration. That's a separate set of costs authorized in film production without committing to actual production.
 
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Steel_Wind said:
Because when books or scripts get "optioned", they are preserved by a studio for a brief period of time to consider whether or not they will acquire the rights on an exclusive basis.

False. There is nothing specifically brief about an option. It can last decades. Usually it's one to two years. And an option IS an acquistion to rights on an exclusive basis, for a period of time. That's the point of an option.

That is a mere option. It is a legal exclusive interest which gives Party A the exclusive option to buy something from Party B during the term of the option.

Mere options happen all the time anytime anyone reviews a script and they are hardly newsworthy. Options are somtimes paid for, but it is unusual to pay a lot for them.

False. Options are always paid for (or some other consideration must be given), and it is not unusual to pay a lot for them. Sometimes it's only a few thousand, but often it's a LOT more.

When you buy the rights, you buy them either outright or for a period of time, within which the licensed property must be filmed or the rights revert back to the author. Some people call this an option - but that isn't what it is.

False, that is usually what it is. With an option, you are buying a set of rights for a period of time.

That's a rights acquisition for an agreed sum which may be defeasible on the happening of an event (failure to release a film by 2011, say)- a very different sort of deal than a mere option.

That is precisely what many options are.

I think DragonLance must have been optioned a dozen times before a movie deal was finally signed last year.

The purchase of rights - which is what has happened in this case, is not a mere option. It does not necessarily commit the studio to production - but it is not a mere option. GRRM notes that the deal for the rights closed a few days back.

An option is in fact a deal for the rights. You may pay MORE later, but you are paying for a right.

There is a distinction on a legal and customary basis as to what a mere option is - and this isn't one.

It probably is. I'd have to see the actual agreement, but the language used for this sounds like it's an option. Until there is a fully functioning and approved screenplay, it's probably just an option.

GRRM is committed to write an episode and to exec-produce. That is not a mere option. If George happens to call it that on his website in the subject line of his blog post - - sorry George, that isn't what an option is.

An agreement to produce, and an agreement to write, are different agreements. That doesn't mean this isn't an option, however. It also does not mean that the agreement to write and produce were not contingent agreements on the future exercise of an option. In fact, usually with a book-based option it IS contingent on a screenplay being written.
 
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IcedEarth81 said:
No kidding. I had to put down the book for a day or two after that. Spoilers: When you read that part a second time Martin practically screams ambush at you, but the first time it's like you won't let yourself believe it will actually happen. It's kind of like the execution in AGoT - it really shocks you the first time.

Hopefully this will get Martin in gear to finish this series. AFfC took forever to come out and I'm eagerly anticipating ADwD.
Not only that, but
the way the Freys treated Robb's corpse afterwards, killing Gray Wind, chopping off both their heads and sewing Grey Wind's head on Robb's neck. God, I hope they suffer long and hard!
 

To Klaus: I have a feeling they will suffer. Martin mentions how sacred the guest right is so many times and how noone before the Freys would dare break it. I just have a feeling that something bad will be visited among those involved. Also, it seems like everyone in this series gets theirs at some point. Even the Lannisters, who were doing great for the first two and a half books, eventually got theirs. The clock is ticking for the Freys.
 

Can we stop the hidden spoilers? This isn't a "no spoilers" thread. If you came to this thread, odds are you already read the books or don't care. Just post the darn text like normal! :)
 


Mistwell said:
False. There is nothing specifically brief about an option. It can last decades. Usually it's one to two years. And an option IS an acquistion to rights on an exclusive basis, for a period of time. That's the point of an option.

*snip*

No, it isn't. An option is an exclusive right to purchase the rights during the term of the option. It isn't the purchase of the right itself.

You're pretty strong on the declaratory "falses". You are in LA. Do you work in the entertainment law business?

I'm in Toronto - been practicing for 12 years - and I do.
 

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