Healer PrCs?

[Oscar carramiñana]

the radiant servant of pelor I think is really focused on healing
at 2lvl you gain empover spell on all healing spells without spell slot cost
at 5 or 6 lvl you gain maximize on all healing spells without spell slot cost
at 10lvl you gain Empover and maximize on all healing spells without spell slot cost.
It seems a really focused on healing to me
but if you don't follow pelor the healer class are good option

 

[Liquidsabre]

Also keep in mind that the PrCs in CD such as the Radiant Servant of Pelor, are meant to be adapted to the dieties of your campaign world, so not worshipping Pelor may not in itself be prohibitve. If there are other gods in your world that also reresent powerful healing then likely their church also has a RSoP PrC of another name. Check p.20 on "Adapting Prestige Classes" in CD.

 

[reverendkeith]

Also keep in mind that the PrCs in CD such as the Radiant Servant of Pelor, are meant to be adapted to the dieties of your campaign world, so not worshipping Pelor may not in itself be prohibitve. If there are other gods in your world that also reresent powerful healing then likely their church also has a RSoP PrC of another name. Check p.20 on "Adapting Prestige Classes" in CD.

That's a good point. Now I need to see if my DM will agree with that logic.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Eh? There are books and books filled with prestige classes that highlight one aspect of a class, to the neglect of another. A better archer, yet poorer hand to hand fighter. A better summoner, but poorer diviner. etc.

What makes healing and Clerics any different?

Cause the cleric is very effective with healing already. If your cleric uses positive energy (and maybe the healing domain to boot), you should have little problem giving the party all the healing it needs.

And this presents a specialization in itself: You dish out healing en masse and thus can't cast many other spells (for you have to convert these to cure spells), and can't attack either.

You don't need a PrC cause the cleric is the healer already. You can use feats to further specialize in healing:
- Divine Metamagic (Empower or Maximize, maybe Twin Spell) to improve healing spells
- Extra Turning (to get more uses of Divine Feats)
- Augment Healing
- Sacred Boost
- Sacred Healing
- Twin Spell

BTW: what campaign setting do you use, or do you play in a homebrew world?

 

[the Jester]

I've got a homebrewed Healer prc; if you'd like to check it out I could post it for you.

 

[reverendkeith]

Cause the cleric is very effective with healing already. If your cleric uses positive energy (and maybe the healing domain to boot), you should have little problem giving the party all the healing it needs.

Of course... then again, I could use the same argument for the fighter.

"The Fighter is very effective with swinging swords already. If your fighter has the right melee weapon feats, you should have little problem giving the party all the melee support it needs."

You don't need a PrC cause the cleric is the healer already.

... and the fighter is a archer, and the wizard is a diviner, and the rogue is a backstabber.

Perhaps I'm just not getting it, but how is this different than most other PrCs and classes out there? Every class seems to have PrCs devoted to amplifying one aspect of a class to the detriment of another.

The Chiurgeon PrC that I referenced does exactly that. I lose five levels of turning, but instead get some perks with stabilzation, the Heal Skill (such as bonuses for long term recover, dealing with disease and poison, etc.), and even a +1 or +2 hp bonus for each spontaneously cast spell.

What I was curious is that since there is a metric ton of archer, diviner, and backstabber PrCs out there, I must simply be missing the right books with the healer PrCs. If this thread has taught me anything, I'm not missing them. They don't exist... except for the lone Chiurgeon PrC I've already found.

Too bad.

You can use feats to further specialize in healing:

That appears to be the route I'll be heading. Thanks for the list of feats! Definately food for thought.

BTW: what campaign setting do you use, or do you play in a homebrew world?

Homebrew, but so generic that I can file off serial numbers and nobody would notice the difference.

 

[reverendkeith]

I've got a homebrewed Healer prc; if you'd like to check it out I could post it for you.

Thanks! I'd love to check it out.

 

[reverendkeith]

What I was curious is that since there is a metric ton of archer, diviner, and backstabber PrCs out there, I must simply be missing the right books with the healer PrCs. If this thread has taught me anything, I'm not missing them. They don't exist... except for the lone Chiurgeon PrC I've already found.

... and the Radiant Servant of Pelor, of course.

 

[the Jester]

Posted it in house rules. I hope it helps- glancing it over quickly, I think I got the balance right, and it was originally designed with a cleric pc in mind who was quite happy with it.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Of course... then again, I could use the same argument for the fighter.

"The Fighter is very effective with swinging swords already. If your fighter has the right melee weapon feats, you should have little problem giving the party all the melee support it needs."

... and the fighter is a archer, and the wizard is a diviner, and the rogue is a backstabber.

Perhaps I'm just not getting it, but how is this different than most other PrCs and classes out there? Every class seems to have PrCs devoted to amplifying one aspect of a class to the detriment of another.

Well, I think that you don't need PrC's for things the base class already cover. If you want just someone who is good at shooting arrows, you can stay with fighter or ranger. The Archer PrC's all add a twist to it.

And I don't think you can add too much of a twist on "Healer". Beyond the feat list I gave you, there isn't too much you can do - certainly nothing much that would justify a PrC for it. YMMV, of course

The Chiurgeon PrC that I referenced does exactly that. I lose five levels of turning, but instead get some perks with stabilzation, the Heal Skill (such as bonuses for long term recover, dealing with disease and poison, etc.), and even a +1 or +2 hp bonus for each spontaneously cast spell.

Ah.

Well, for most of these things we have feats already.

What I was curious is that since there is a metric ton of archer, diviner, and backstabber PrCs out there

Well, I haven't seen too many diviner PrC's.

The thing is, PrC's often give you a power boost for whatever they focus in. Healing is powerful enough, at least for most players out there, so they are happy with the cleric. It's also that healing isn't really a combat thing (or rather you can't use it to kill foes with)

I must simply be missing the right books with the healer PrCs. If this thread has taught me anything, I'm not missing them. They don't exist... except for the lone Chiurgeon PrC I've already found.

As I've said: it isn't something many people want to specialize in (I know several cleric players who dish out healing only grudgingly, for that diminishes their ability to affect the game directly), and honestly, there aren't too many ways how you can specialize in healing. For Archery, for example, we have those who shoot as quick as possible, sniper types, those who combine magic and archery....., warrior types can specialize in weapons, combat styles and so on. Healers can only get better in that they can heal even better...

That appears to be the route I'll be heading. Thanks for the list of feats! Definately food for thought.

NP

Homebrew, but so generic that I can file off serial numbers and nobody would notice the difference.

Can you use FR material? Other material?