I really like Five Torches Deep load and supply rules and will try it with those. It manages to be both abstract and require logistical planning.
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Lanefan
Victoria Rules
Probably much less effort to simply ban feats than go through all of them and weed out the problem children.
As for ASIs, if you don't mind a tiny extra bit of complication to add some randomness to when stats go up (and to slow stat advancement down from what 5e gives) you could add in the percentile-increment system introduced with the 1e Cavalier.
How it works is this:
At roll-up two stats - your class' primary stat (or one of them, if a class has more than one primary) plus one other stat of your choice - are noted as the ones that get increments. These choices are locked in once made.
d% is rolled for each of these two stats. Thus, a Wizard with Int 14 might roll 87% and start with Int 14.87; and have chosen Dex for her other stat, rolled 34 for that, and started with Dex 13.34
At each level-up, dice* are rolled with their total being added to the % on the stat. So, our intrepid Wizard might bump to 2nd, roll a total of 8 on the dice, and now be Int 14.95. A similar roll happens for Dex.
When a % rolls over from 00 to what would be 101, knock off 100 and add a point to the main stat. Here, at 3rd level our Wizard rolls 14 on his increment dice, taking his Int from 14.95 to what would be 14.109; this then becomes 15.09 and any adjustments required for the stat going from 14 to 15 are made.
The value of the % number has no effect on anything until-unless it rolls over; a 14.01 functions in all ways exactly the same as a 14.99
* - the dice used can be bigger or smaller depending how rapidly you want stats to increase on average. We always have the prime stat going up faster than the other one; in my game I use 3d8 for the prime stat and 2d6 for the other. The prime used to be 2d10 but I found that was too slow in a system that often only gets to 9th or 10th level; in a 20-level game you might even want to go as low as 2d8 for the prime.
Lanefan
Victoria Rules
It's actually much much simpler in play than it is to describe.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
Days of Unearthed Arcana Cavaliers and Paladins are dancing before my eyes!
We hat a thing called Fighter Options in AD&D back in the day (Fighters only got them). To learn one you rolled a d20 when you leveled. If your roll was equal or less than your new level, you got a style. Otherwise, you waited until next level. It was a nice random way of getting them.
I am actually considering let only Champion Fighters take feats.Days of Unearthed Arcana Cavaliers and Paladins are dancing before my eyes!
We hat a thing called Fighter Options in AD&D back in the day (Fighters only got them). To learn one you rolled a d20 when you leveled. If your roll was equal or less than your new level, you got a style. Otherwise, you waited until next level. It was a nice random way of getting them.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
Hmm... depending on what feats you are most concerned with, it seems like Champion Fighters would be the kind most likely to abuse said feats?
I like the idea of removing ASIs, but including feats. So, if you want to bump up an ability score, you have to select a feat with the increase baked in.
Personally, I've never had an issue with feats in any of the games I've played in, but tastes differ so YMMV.
The thought with letting Champions take feats was simply to allow them a little more diversity of action since it is the "boring" class.Hmm... depending on what feats you are most concerned with, it seems like Champion Fighters would be the kind most likely to abuse said feats?
I like the idea of removing ASIs, but including feats. So, if you want to bump up an ability score, you have to select a feat with the increase baked in.
Personally, I've never had an issue with feats in any of the games I've played in, but tastes differ so YMMV.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
I can see why you would want to go that route, but IMO champions are actually a really good subclass. There is the thread about "balancing" them out, but for the most part I think they are good. Maybe give them a slight buff, like expertise in Athletics, at level 3. That leads nicely into the Remarkable Athlete at level 7.
I really hate the low light visions and abundance of light cantrips in this game. My last campaign had a Bard, Sorcerer, and a Cleric which meant there were 3 light cantrips going at all times. One solution to that problem I am using with my next campaign is to make light cantrips into a concentration spell.
The Sorcerer might have to decide mid dungeon to drop his light cantrip on the fly if he needs to cast Spider Climb or Hold Person. That Bard isn't going to be able to maintain his light if he wants to cast Tasha's Hideous Laughter or Faerie Fire. The Cleric has to drop his light if he wants to cast Silence or Spirit Guardians. These are just a couple quick examples but it forces them to make a choice. Dropping that light cantrip might throw a part of a room into darkness, creating a danger for the players.
The Sorcerer might have to decide mid dungeon to drop his light cantrip on the fly if he needs to cast Spider Climb or Hold Person. That Bard isn't going to be able to maintain his light if he wants to cast Tasha's Hideous Laughter or Faerie Fire. The Cleric has to drop his light if he wants to cast Silence or Spirit Guardians. These are just a couple quick examples but it forces them to make a choice. Dropping that light cantrip might throw a part of a room into darkness, creating a danger for the players.
I was also considering making Light concentration.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
Or, just make them (light, dancing lights) 1st level spells again. Making them cantrips is what made them prone to abuse.
That's probably even a better idea.
We played the first part of a two session test with the house rules. It went well enough. Much of it was consumed by travel, but I used a variant of the system in Zweihander so it was interesting and fun without relying on constant combats.
One thing I learned: the Outlander background is yet another example of 5e trying to eliminate the resource management aspect of play. As a background it let's one pc feed six with no check required. Good thing the party sent so much time buying supplies...
Anyway, we finished one fight and one pc in particular got beat up and a few used some key abilities. I'll be curious whether they risk the time to rest or push on next time.
One thing I learned: the Outlander background is yet another example of 5e trying to eliminate the resource management aspect of play. As a background it let's one pc feed six with no check required. Good thing the party sent so much time buying supplies...
Anyway, we finished one fight and one pc in particular got beat up and a few used some key abilities. I'll be curious whether they risk the time to rest or push on next time.
That is one thing I never understood. I know that strict tracking of all resources (food, water, ammo, spell components, encumbrance, etc) can really turn people off these days but to completely eliminate ALL resources just seems like lazy design imo. There are times where limited resources can create adventures and tension on their own.
I try to strike a balance in my games. When my players are in an urban setting or temperate wilderness, I don't worry about tracking water and food. They should be readily available through either purchase or hunting. I don't worry about tracking arrows when they are traveling overland. I just assume that they are able to recover enough of their arrows to continue on and restock when in the next village.
Now all bets are off when they enter other settings. The party decides they are heading into the underdark and don't know when they will return, better make sure you have food, water, and ammo. The party walks through some ancient portal they find in some ruined wizard tower and find themselves stranded in an arctic environment? Better have your resources, including clothing.
Player vs Environment can be the main antagonist in your adventure if done properly. Dark Sun was such a brutal setting and many people loved it for that simple reason.
We ended up having some fun with random weather. I used a super simple system -- it was late summer, early fall on a large temperate island, so each morning we rolled a 1d6. If the result was equal to or less than the number of days since the last rain (so 1 on the first day, 2 on the 2nd and so on) it rained, and then we rolled a 1d10 for severity (on a simple 1 to 10 scale of drizzle to monsoon). If the severity was 5-8 they lost half a day and suffered disadvantage on both survival and perception checks. On a 9 or 10 they lost a day and those checks were impossible. If they did not hunker down they were guaranteed a level of exhaustion and might blunder into a random encounter with no forewarning. Amazingly, they kept rolling 1s and it rained most their whole miserable trek. They ended up losing almost 3 days to weather and failed survival checks. Most of the random encounters were of the "found a strange thing" variety so I did some foreshadowing of what awaited them (manticores) and just random weirdness (a pool where pixies met to enchant their sleep arrows in the water, just based on a one liner from the forest chart). It was the most fun I have had running an extended travel in a while. Extending the length of the travel would have been more impactful if they had to worry about rations, though.
I am going to make the weather rolls a little more complex and use a bell curve so there is only 1 roll (sever weather will be in the outlier results) and build custom encounter charts with plenty of non combat stuff, but it was a good test.
I am going to make the weather rolls a little more complex and use a bell curve so there is only 1 roll (sever weather will be in the outlier results) and build custom encounter charts with plenty of non combat stuff, but it was a good test.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
This is the weather "system" we currently use:
Nothing complex, but it might be a starting point for you.
Nothing complex, but it might be a starting point for you.
Interesting. I like it. I think the temperature thing should be seasonal with one "extreme" result (frigid in the winter and blistering in the summer), but otherwise it is a good starting place. Thanks.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
The temperature is relative to spring/fall. I would recommend shifting the categories one spot for summer towards the high end and one spot lower for winter. So, for example, in winter a roll of 2-3 would also require a DC 10 CON save daily to avoid a level of exhaustion.
Other factors should be taken into consideration. For example, if you don't have adequate water, the DC check for exhaustion in blistering weather should either be raised to 10 or made with disadvantage, etc.
It's hard to articulate but I feel like trying to make 5E feel like 2E/BECM is sort of like bad sci fi TV aliens: you know they are just people in rubber masks. Am I barking up the wrong tree? The 5E DNA is strong, and even with curated player options and house rules it still feels like 5E.
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