D&D (2024) Heroes of the Borderlands

[Parmandur]

Ah, okay. Thanks for bringing me up to speed.


I could see that working, and Venger certainly wears the correct color scheme to fit in with the cultists, but I'm not sure what it would add to have a wizard like Venger working behind the scenes when the adventure already has the evil priest heading up the cult and supposedly organizing the humanoid presence in the caves in some way.

A nameless evil priest, with no set aesthetician or particular motives...

Juat saying, they said they would use Venger, I would be amused if they did it here: and Venger is as much a Gygax joint as Keep on the Borderlands, in some ways.

 

[Hriston]

A nameless evil priest, with no set aesthetician or particular motives...

It's not like you couldn't give the priest a name and motivation (not sure what an aesthetician has to do with it ) without adding Venger to the adventure. I'd expect that to be done with a remake regardless, even though my personal preference wouldn't require it.

Juat saying, they said they would use Venger, I would be amused if they did it here: and Venger is as much a Gygax joint as Keep on the Borderlands, in some ways.

Gygax wrote KotB. I could be wrong, but although he was involved, at some level, in making the cartoon happen, I don't get the feeling he was involved creatively.

 

[Parmandur]

It's not like you couldn't give the priest a name

Say, Venger?

 

[Hriston]

Say, Venger?

That's starting to sound like an unmasking at the end of a Scooby-Doo episode.

"And the evil priest is actually... Venger?!"

"That's right! And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddlesome adventurers!"

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Which for me, is perfectly fine. While D&D for me is an escape from the drudgery of reality, I feel like I'm adult enough I can handle a bit of moral gray areas as long as its interesting.

Yeah, the moment slavery has entered the discussion, we are dealing with something more weighty than a Scooby Doo cartoon. Even as kids, we were happy to put the slavers to the sword and figure out a way to get the freed slaves to something approaching safety ASAP.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

That's starting to sound like an unmasking at the end of a Scooby-Doo episode.

"And the evil priest is actually... Venger?!"

"That's right! And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddlesome adventurers!"

It's absolutely not going to be Venger.

That cartoon has been off the air for more than 40 years. The 5E relaunch is clearly being aimed at Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Doubling down on a fairly obscure Gen X cartoon isn't going to happen.

Stick the characters in a few illustrations in the PHB? Sure. Make them the focal point of the new starter set? No.

 

[Hriston]

It's absolutely not going to be Venger.

That cartoon has been off the air for more than 40 years. The 5E relaunch is clearly being aimed at Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Doubling down on a fairly obscure Gen X cartoon isn't going to happen.

Stick the characters in a few illustrations in the PHB? Sure. Make them the focal point of the new starter set? No.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the point would be of doing such a bizarre 80's mash-up.

 

[Tonguez]

It's absolutely not going to be Venger.

That cartoon has been off the air for more than 40 years. The 5E relaunch is clearly being aimed at Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Doubling down on a fairly obscure Gen X cartoon isn't going to happen.

Stick the characters in a few illustrations in the PHB? Sure. Make them the focal point of the new starter set? No.

the central figure on the DMG cover isnt just a few illustrations - the cartoon is IP that they get to showcase, so why not drop Vengers name in the starter set?

and Caves of Chaos roller coaster at the new theme park

 

[Scott Christian]

I agree, waiting for WotC to do that is futile. I simply stated a preference, I am not expecting WotC to meet it, just like with my other preferences

Out of curiosity, how do you handle something like an orc?

For my world, I have it in more of a cursed form: long life, unable to control emotion, not able to procreate, bound by its curse, etc. The cursed magic infected a large population and turned them slowly, making them even significant historically.

I am curious how other people who choose to not follow WotC's version come up with.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

the central figure on the DMG cover isnt just a few illustrations

Of course it is. Almost no one but graybeards knows or cares who's on the cover of the three 2014 core books and it certainly didn't mean that King Snurre was all over the joint for the next 10 years.