Heroes Season 1(#20)---4/30/07-'(Five Years Gone)String Theory'

[Umbran]

What I am not sure about is wether it was always Peter that exploded -
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There are still a few holes in this theory, and it's obviously not necessary to have different people being the bomb. If it in fact are, my theory is the third bomb will be Ted.

The basic hole in the theory is Linderman, who claims to be setting the whole thing up.

Note that now, we have a conflict - Linderman's plan was to use Peter. When he thought Peter was dead, he called in Micah, not Ted....

Now, with Peter still alive, things get a little... messy?

 

[Taelorn76]

The basic hole in the theory is Linderman, who claims to be setting the whole thing up.

Note that now, we have a conflict - Linderman's plan was to use Peter. When he thought Peter was dead, he called in Micah, not Ted....

Now, with Peter still alive, things get a little... messy?

I think he would call in Micah regardless to rig the election ballots.

Also how does Linderman know Peter is dead?

 

[Vocenoctum]

Look - you simply don't know this.

We don't even know that Sylar ever killed Claire. The only shot we have is a brief sketch showing a dead cheerleader. It could be Jackie. It could have always been Jackie.

Always we know is what FutureHiro said. He stabbed Sylar, but Sylar healed. He tracked this to Claire. If we're going to assume FutureHiro is completely wrong, than we have no basis to move from.

We also don't know that the future timeline depcted in episode 20 was one in which Peter saved Claire. There are good reasons to believe that it was not.

Nathan / Sylar believed Claire to be dead. Why?

Assumes facts not in evidence, we don't know he assumed she was dead.

No reason given - but HRG seemed to want everyone to believe that. Claire was not in hiding via Angela Petrelli in France or anywhere else. She was in hiding via HRG and always had been. Very, very odd. But the fact that Hiro believed her to be alive - for no other reason than she was saved at Homecoming - was enough to make HRG act to kill him.

She was in hiding, did they ever say she was reported dead? Even so, the original homecoming death wasn't mentioned. We don't know how she went into hiding.

If the mere fact she had been saved at Homecoming was already known to Nathan (as it is in the present timeline) why would that have motivated HRG to betray Hiro?

Hiro wanted DL, Candace and Molly, I think he used "we saved Claire" as a bargaining chip, not a blackmail chip. Bennet decided he was too dangerous. Especially since Bennet had apparently forked those three over to someone.

And Candice would trust HRG to hide her? After she had betrayed him and his family? I don't think so. Unless of course - that betrayal never happened because Claire was never exposed by the Homecoming incident and the events that followed it.

We just know Hiro entrusted her to Bennet, the rest is not in evidence.

And Peter still has a scar. There is no indication he has super healing at all in the future. Maybe he does - and maybe he doesn't. That does not add up either.

I still figure on Haitian having blocked his power at some point. He obviously has invisibility, time travel, telekinesis, radioactivity...

I also wonder what powers he picked up in the prison break and such.

As for Sylar healing after he was stabbed in the "other timeline", that assumes:

a - it was Sylar who was stabbed and not somebody appearing to be Sylar who had regen power; or,

You can create an intricately carved scenario whereby Peter had gained Candaces and Claires and Teds powers and for some reason masked as Sylar when he blew up, but the easiest way seems to be that FutureHiro knows what he saw.

b- it was Sylar who was stabbed and had regen powers and thatr he was not healed by Linderman or someone else who had healing powers.

I can't see this as possible at all. "I stabbed him, he healed" is a lot different from "I stabbed him, left, then at some later point, he was alive again."

 

[Vocenoctum]

The basic hole in the theory is Linderman, who claims to be setting the whole thing up.

Note that now, we have a conflict - Linderman's plan was to use Peter. When he thought Peter was dead, he called in Micah, not Ted....

Now, with Peter still alive, things get a little... messy?

Not sure if it's spoilers, it's from the "reality game" or whatever (though I read it via wiki).

Spoiler

Spoiler

Linderman rigged the election electronically, Wireless unrigged it, Linderman needs Micah to rerig it.

end spoiler

 

[Vocenoctum]

Hiro has never met Ted the Exploding Man . . . at least not yet. Hard to figure out how to go back thru time to kill a guy if you don't know who he is.

A lot of people keep judging characters based on the information that we AS VIEWERS know, but the characters do not.

Actually, my case is mostly based on the fact that Ted has a police file that includes radioactivity, murder, a fiery escape from custody, and (assuming original timeline) probably a SylarCorpse.

Claire has no public record up until being a SylarCorpse.

Both of this assumes that because Sylar may have never been known to him as anything but Sylar (a pseudonym) he couldn't track him down more directly. He could possibly still track the corpse trail back to where it started though.

The episode doesn't tell us how he came to find Claire's trail, or determine which power he gained from her. Ted seems to be easier to track than Claire.

 

[occam]

Except for one thing: why does Future Peter who can heal having his skull and forehead ripped open have a scar?

That's the part which does not add up.

Remember that Peter activates his powers by remembering what another person, the original source of the power, makes him feel like. If he could be made to forget someone he had met before... hmm, how could that happen...?

Lots of room for things to happen over five years.

 

[Vocenoctum]

With single acts of time travel, "never" is difficult to arrange. Discrete events can be altered through discrete individual time-travel events. But, given that Dr. Suresh the Elder was seeking out powered people, how do you ensure he can never encounter Sylar? Loiter around and nudge him every time he goes in that general direction?

Dr Suresh was a harder nut to crack, so who knows if he'd still have kept Sylar going if he'd been told right away about the TK dying. Who knows if he'd have been able to stop him if he wanted to...
(of course, he did have a Katana)

My main thing is, from the perspective that FutureHiro apparently spent quite some time researching when & where to make his alteration, he came up with Claire. I think he chose to do it in a vague manner to push certain other events along (saying "Save the Cheerleader, save the world" leads to Isaac, since he didn't say which Cheerleader...), and it's even possible that a side effect was giving Peter time-control powers at a time before he met PastHiro.

No way to judge all the ramifications, which is cool, but the logic train of saving Claire to stop the explosion seems off when confronted with other options.

As for altering the future, given he was trying to avert a nuclear blast, I can't see how he was very afraid of making small alterations.

 

[occam]

On another note, it has been a while since a TV show infected my dreams like last nights episode did. My most vivid one was that Sylar got to Wireless, took her power and was using it to hack into EN World and close down threads like this one to prevent people from figuring out how to stop him.

This is so frustrating; every time I try to post, my post disappears. I don't know why this keeps happening. Anyway, I have information, from a very reliable source associated with the show, about what happens to Sylar. Peter and Hiro j

 

[occam]

This is so frustrating; every time I try to post, my post disappears. I don't know why this keeps happening. Anyway, I have information, from a very reliable source associated with the show, about what happens to Sylar. Peter and Hiro j

Damn, what is going on?! I can't seem to get this post out! OK, here we go again: Syl

 

[occam]

Damn, what is going on?! I can't seem to get this post out! OK, here we go again: Syl

Gaahh!!

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