Heroes Season 1(#20)---4/30/07-'(Five Years Gone)String Theory'

[The Grumpy Celt]

In fact, they've actually pointed out a few places where the future HAS changed.

Piffle. Every single one of Isaac’s paintings has come true. He painted New York blown up, ergo New York will get blown up. And Nathan/Sylar becomes President.

 

[Taelorn76]

Piffle. Every single one of Isaac’s paintings has come true. He painted New York blown up, ergo New York will get blown up. And Nathan/Sylar becomes President.

Yes NY blows up, but maybe Nathan becomes President, not Sylar

 

[Vocenoctum]

Yes NY blows up, but maybe Nathan becomes President, not Sylar

I'm not sure when Sylar replaced Nathan though. Nathan became congressman at Blast Day, and 5 years later he's been president for an indetermined amount of time. We don't know how much of the initiatives were Nathan/ Lindermans, and how much were Sylar.

 

[Umbran]

I think optimum might have been to prevent Sylar from ever learning of his potential powers by arranging to never meet Mohinders father.

With single acts of time travel, "never" is difficult to arrange. Discrete events can be altered through discrete individual time-travel events. But, given that Dr. Suresh the Elder was seeking out powered people, how do you ensure he can never encounter Sylar? Loiter around and nudge him every time he goes in that general direction?

 

[Steel_Wind]

Original timeline, where Sylar killed Claire and thus had the power to heal when Hiro stabbed him. Claire was dead before Peter or Nathan met her.

Look - you simply don't know this.

We don't even know that Sylar ever killed Claire. The only shot we have is a brief sketch showing a dead cheerleader. It could be Jackie. It could have always been Jackie.

We also don't know that the future timeline depcted in episode 20 was one in which Peter saved Claire. There are good reasons to believe that it was not.

Nathan / Sylar believed Claire to be dead. Why? No reason given - but HRG seemed to want everyone to believe that. Claire was not in hiding via Angela Petrelli in France or anywhere else. She was in hiding via HRG and always had been. Very, very odd. But the fact that Hiro believed her to be alive - for no other reason than she was saved at Homecoming - was enough to make HRG act to kill him.

If the mere fact she had been saved at Homecoming was already known to Nathan (as it is in the present timeline) why would that have motivated HRG to betray Hiro?

And Candice would trust HRG to hide her? After she had betrayed him and his family? I don't think so. Unless of course - that betrayal never happened because Claire was never exposed by the Homecoming incident and the events that followed it.

It does not add up.

And Peter still has a scar. There is no indication he has super healing at all in the future. Maybe he does - and maybe he doesn't. That does not add up either.

As for Sylar healing after he was stabbed in the "other timeline", that assumes:

a - it was Sylar who was stabbed and not somebody appearing to be Sylar who had regen power; or,

b- it was Sylar who was stabbed and had regen powers and thatr he was not healed by Linderman or someone else who had healing powers.

In short - way way way too many "we know for a fact" statements being made in this thread when, in fact, we have very few absolutes to go on and the circumstantal evidence does not add up.

 

[Hand of Evil]

I'm not sure when Sylar replaced Nathan though. Nathan became congressman at Blast Day, and 5 years later he's been president for an indetermined amount of time. We don't know how much of the initiatives were Nathan/ Lindermans, and how much were Sylar.

Plus, Sylar, no matter how smart he is, lacks the polictical edge that Nathan has. You have to ask yourself if Sylar could pull off an election campaign.

 

[Truth Seeker]

Oh yes he can, anyone remembered the waitress that Hiro was involved with? He can do everything, just by a textbook reponse.

Plus, Sylar, no matter how smart he is, lacks the polictical edge that Nathan has. You have to ask yourself if Sylar could pull off an election campaign.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

There are still a lot of unanswered questions, but here are my theories:
I think Hiro cannot simply go back and undo everything bad that happens. If he does, he creates a paradoxon - why should a Hiro in the altered timeline universe attempt to jump back in time and kill Sylar. Hiro needs a reason to stop Sylar - a nuclear destruction of New York is a good reason, but serial-murdering superheroes (and innocent bystanders) is still a good reason to take out Sylar.
Maybe that's also what the future Hiro referred to - there is a possible fall-out with his time-travel, so he must be careful.

What I am not sure about is wether it was always Peter that exploded -
It is possible that he didn't do it in the first time line. His dreams of him exploding appeared only after he saved Claire.
The reason for him or Sylar exploding might be a result of them fighting each other to a stand-still.
In the first iteration, Sylar went nuclear because this was the only way to stop Peter (who didn't have Claire's regeneration.)
In the second iteration, Peter went nuclear because this seemed the only way to stop Sylar (who didn't have claire's regeneration).
There are still a few holes in this theory, and it's obviously not necessary to have different people being the bomb. If it in fact are, my theory is the third bomb will be Ted.

The last show did indicate that Sylar and Nathan will meet (violently), and Sylar will also meet the illusionist before the battle. (Otherwise, he would have a hard time faking Nathan convincingly, and faking his death)

What I began to wonder regarding the previous episode:
If Ma Petrelli is acquinted with Linderman, does she also work for him? If he does, didn't Claire just run from one branch of Lindermans conspiracy (Primatech) to another one (Family Petrelli)? Or is there more going on?

 

[WayneLigon]

Plus, Sylar, no matter how smart he is, lacks the polictical edge that Nathan has. You have to ask yourself if Sylar could pull off an election campaign.

Neither one of them has to have any edge. Linderman has the election fixed; he first tried it through mundane electronic means but now he has Micah to do it for him.

Sylar might actually better at it than Nathan is; he has the waitresses power plus his own ability to 'figure out how to fix things'.

Hmm. A nasty thought. Micah refuses to do what Linderman asks, so Linderman calls on one other person who can 'fix' things: Sylar. *shudder*

 

[Dire Bare]

Well, if we assume that FutureHiro actually did cut Sylar and Sylar healed, then that leads us to the fact that Hiro can alter the timeline, but doing so does not alter his perception of it, much like he can move while time is frozen.

Before alteration, Sylar may have exploded, or maybe it was always Peter. Either way, Sylar healed after a stab, until this was changed by FutureHiro.

And, to the point, FutureHiro is a dufus for not simply going back and killing Radioactive Man before his powers expressed.



I won't comment on other nations following the US' lead, but is there any sign that they actually did? We only saw the US, so far as I think.

While throwing stuff out there, we don't know when Sylar replaced Nathan. I really find it hard to imagine Sylar maintained enough sanity during the presedential campaign to win it, but also can't imagine him getting there after...

Also, if his plan for getting new powers was by going through Bennet, then he'd already have had to kill Candace before getting access to Candace... or something.

Hiro has never met Ted the Exploding Man . . . at least not yet. Hard to figure out how to go back thru time to kill a guy if you don't know who he is.

A lot of people keep judging characters based on the information that we AS VIEWERS know, but the characters do not.