Heroes Season 1(#20)---4/30/07-'(Five Years Gone)String Theory'

[Vocenoctum]

Since we haven't seen this timeline you are talking about, there could be any number of ways, especially with all the character connections through parents, events and such.

Original timeline, where Sylar killed Claire and thus had the power to heal when Hiro stabbed him. Claire was dead before Peter or Nathan met her.

It's entirely possible Bennet told them what Claires power was and such, we don't know, that's my point.

It just seems Ted is a lot more Public Record than Claire was.

 

[Nellisir]

He knew about Claire though?

I don't think he did know about Claire. It may not click with the last episode, or we may not have the information we need, but Hiro didn't say "save Claire Bennett, save the world". He said "save the cheerleader". And he could have gotten that from Isaac's drawings & articles about Sylar's murders.

I'm not sure how he would have known her relationship to HRG, but ce la vie.

 

[Vocenoctum]

I don't think he did know about Claire. It may not click with the last episode, or we may not have the information we need, but Hiro didn't say "save Claire Bennett, save the world". He said "save the cheerleader". And he could have gotten that from Isaac's drawings & articles about Sylar's murders.

I'm not sure how he would have known her relationship to HRG, but ce la vie.

He chose that moment to stop Sylar from getting the healing power, AFAIK.

 

[John Crichton]

Original timeline, where Sylar killed Claire and thus had the power to heal when Hiro stabbed him. Claire was dead before Peter or Nathan met her.

It's entirely possible Bennet told them what Claires power was and such, we don't know, that's my point.

It just seems Ted is a lot more Public Record than Claire was.

And again, that is fine, but Hiro is not the kinda guy who would want to kill someone who could be an innocent. He chose to try and save someone to fix a situation he was directly involved in, which was the attempted killing of Sylar. So, by his logic, getting rid of the healing power would let him finish the job and prevent the explosion.

He's probably done the majority of his research through word of mouth and his own experiences. The rest is too inaccurate for him to effect it by going back in time. It is a risk/reward thing and was very calculated.

 

[Vocenoctum]

And again, that is fine, but Hiro is not the kinda guy who would want to kill someone who could be an innocent. He chose to try and save someone to fix a situation he was directly involved in, which was the attempted killing of Sylar. So, by his logic, getting rid of the healing power would let him finish the job and prevent the explosion.

One of the old Shadowrun debates always revolved around the innocence of the Corp Guards you mow down when you need to mow down guards. I can't recall the specific instance that is mentioned about Hiro's offscreen butchering, but he seemed clearly capable of killing any cops that got in his way from saving Hiro.

But, I guess gacking Ted to save all the lives Ted has cost is not worthwhile. Even just the direct lives he's cost...

He's probably done the majority of his research through word of mouth and his own experiences. The rest is too inaccurate for him to effect it by going back in time. It is a risk/reward thing and was very calculated.

Well, at what point does the lack of any of this become a flaw of the material? At what point can you safely say "yeah, the writers didn't follow that one through" instead of taking it on faith that there is a specific reason Save The Cheerleader was chosen by Hiro and we just haven't gotten all the information?

 

[John Crichton]

One of the old Shadowrun debates always revolved around the innocence of the Corp Guards you mow down when you need to mow down guards. I can't recall the specific instance that is mentioned about Hiro's offscreen butchering, but he seemed clearly capable of killing any cops that got in his way from saving Hiro.

But, I guess gacking Ted to save all the lives Ted has cost is not worthwhile. Even just the direct lives he's cost...

Ted cost lives? Since when? It was Sylar/Peter.

That aside, Hiro has been labeled a terrorist and killed some mooks in a continued attempt to save NY. It's a different situation than a carefully planned murder. And all ethics talk aside, Ted is a bit player and harder to find in the past. The cheerleader is the easiest link and possibly the only one he could find.

By your logic, Hiro should have just gone back in time and killed Sylar out of the womb. Not so easy to do without really screwing up the timeline even more. There are two things at play here: The need to stop Sylar without corrupting the timeline from the point where the explosion happens. And he obviously wants to do this without taking more lives.

Well, at what point does the lack of any of this become a flaw of the material? At what point can you safely say "yeah, the writers didn't follow that one through" instead of taking it on faith that there is a specific reason Save The Cheerleader was chosen by Hiro and we just haven't gotten all the information?

At no point do I do this if I am enjoying myself. I feel no need to meta this show.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Ted cost lives? Since when? It was Sylar/Peter.

I'm sure the guys transporting the prisoner in the ball of flame think otherwise...

That aside, Hiro has been labeled a terrorist and killed some mooks in a continued attempt to save NY. It's a different situation than a carefully planned murder. And all ethics talk aside, Ted is a bit player and harder to find in the past. The cheerleader is the easiest link and possibly the only one he could find.

Like I said, Ted is arrested, escapes FBI custody in a fiery manner, and knowing how Sylar's power works, they knew he had to have gotten it from somewhere. Ted is easier to track than Claire, simply by virtue of Claire having a mostly defensive power that had not really gone public yet.

That aside from "mooks" not counting as people though.

By your logic, Hiro should have just gone back in time and killed Sylar out of the womb. Not so easy to do without really screwing up the timeline even more. There are two things at play here: The need to stop Sylar without corrupting the timeline from the point where the explosion happens. And he obviously wants to do this without taking more lives.

I think optimum might have been to prevent Sylar from ever learning of his potential powers by arranging to never meet Mohinders father.

But, as I said earlier, we don't know what impact any of this has on the timeline, and neither does Hiro, so that's a non-issue.

At no point do I do this if I am enjoying myself. I feel no need to meta this show.

I can enjoy a flawed show and still recognize flaws in the material, I was just curious about it given your defense of the way it happened in show.

I'm curious if we'll get more of Hiro's father actually. I was sort of hoping to see something about him connected with Petrelli Sr and Linderman.

 

[John Crichton]

I think optimum might have been to prevent Sylar from ever learning of his potential powers by arranging to never meet Mohinders father.

But, as I said earlier, we don't know what impact any of this has on the timeline, and neither does Hiro, so that's a non-issue.

No, that's the entire issue. Hiro has to make these changes as passively as he can as to not disrupt things too much. That's why he needed to trust Peter to save Claire, rather than showing up himself.

And it is because Claire is a minor player that saving her would have the least effect on things in the timeline, so you are on to something there that I hadn't considered until now.

I can enjoy a flawed show and still recognize flaws in the material, I was just curious about it given your defense of the way it happened in show.

For the record, the show defends itself. I'm just pointing things out the way they have been presented. If it comes off as defense at all, it's because you are attacking it. I think they have done an admirable job presenting how all the time/precog/seer powers work and how they all fit together.

I'm curious if we'll get more of Hiro's father actually. I was sort of hoping to see something about him connected with Petrelli Sr and Linderman.

I'm sure we will. Those types of guest stars usually come back into play for major plot points. Otherwise, why have them show up in the first place?

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

Actually, Hiro is going to have to go back and stop Kring from creating the show in the first place. It's the only way to be certain he has stopped Sylar.

All the time travel is non-sense. All the predictions have always come true, regardless of what anyone does to alter them or stop them. You can't fight the future. Or the writers.

 

[John Crichton]

All the time travel is non-sense. All the predictions have always come true, regardless of what anyone does to alter them or stop them. You can't fight the future. Or the writers.

They don't have to fight the future. They are superheroes. Besides, they gotta give the time-traveler something to do.