Heroes Season 1(#20)---4/30/07-'(Five Years Gone)String Theory'

I think the future was based on the two events, I think Claire is saved BUT Sylar escapes eating Eden's brain, Bennett hides Claire, not the Haitian. The other event was Mohinder not coming back from India, becoming a suit, and building a relationship with Peter and never having a run in with Sylar. This would explain some of the issues.

I dislike 'What IF'. ;)
 

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Alzrius said:
...the same girl that Sylar later made a failed attempt to get while she was in FBI custody.

I don't suppose that gives any indication of her supposed powers. Fhah. He probably does manager to kill her in any event.

I still say Hiro's time travels are not going to result in anything we can predict, you can't fight the future, Matt and the Hatian sell out, Sylar kills Claire and Nathan eventually and Peter is responsible for the deaths of millions of people.
 

I'm going to have a hard time getting behind the show if the bleak and nasty future we saw last night is the ultimate outcome. I suspect we were shown that future because it does not happen. Still, anything's possible.

I love Ando. He might be my favorite character. I think he's shown the most development, at any rate.

Oh question...

I don't usually follow the Heroes theories and whatnot, so this was probably answered way back, but when Ando and Hiro were conned by that Vegas stripper and she cornered them under a bus and shot at them, what exactly happened? Looked like the bullet stopped mid-flight and went back into her gun. Was that just Hiro reestablishing control over his powers? Or something else? I just thought it odd that he did something like that; he didn't freeze or rewind time like he usually does. He actually distorted the space/time of a specific object in a specific way, which I thought was cool. But if it wasn't him, who did it?
 


GoodKingJayIII said:
He actually distorted the space/time of a specific object in a specific way, which I thought was cool. But if it wasn't him, who did it?

It was Hiro. He was in his psychosomatic "no self-confidence" phase post Charlie's death - and before he gained his sword.

His eyes were closed so he didn't realize what he had done. But yes - specific time reversal of an object (the bullet).
 
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Interesting. Many have been yammering about the time paradoxes, but no one has mentioned the obvious. In the original dark future it was Sylar who blew up NY. It's in the new dark future (created by Peter saving Claire) that it was Peter who blew up.

But I still want to know what planet these people are living on? The writers are naively assuming that because the US does something every country in the world will go along in lock-step and do the same thing. I find it much easier to believe in Supers who break all the knowns laws of the universe than I can believe in that! Also, please note that despite all the controls, fear, hatred, etc., that new Supers are being born every day. And more of them. Obviously the Human race is evolving into a new species and if it keeps up the only way to stop it will be to kill off the entire Human race. Not a practical solution in my book.
 

Ed_Laprade said:
Interesting. Many have been yammering about the time paradoxes, but no one has mentioned the obvious. In the original dark future it was Sylar who blew up NY. It's in the new dark future (created by Peter saving Claire) that it was Peter who blew up.

But I still want to know what planet these people are living on? The writers are naively assuming that because the US does something every country in the world will go along in lock-step and do the same thing. I find it much easier to believe in Supers who break all the knowns laws of the universe than I can believe in that! Also, please note that despite all the controls, fear, hatred, etc., that new Supers are being born every day. And more of them. Obviously the Human race is evolving into a new species and if it keeps up the only way to stop it will be to kill off the entire Human race. Not a practical solution in my book.

Well, that's probably a question that might need delving in current political situations, but I think the idea is like this:
We are seeing now what happened when the US was attacked by representatives of a certain group (representatives might be saying to much, but they are seen as such). The world is pretty much deciding between western and islamic society now, but it can't really do it, as there is still a lot of common ground, and the key difference is something pretty hard to define and something not very easy to measure - it's cultural, it's religious. It is hard to really identify who is friend and foe, and anyone trying to make it easy will simply fail (and might in fact just make himself a few new enemies or "no-longer-that-close-friends")

But an attack by a "evolutionary anomaly" is something extremely different - you can use physical and/or biological science instead of wishy-washy psychology/sociology to differentiate between the two factions. And you find out that one of the factions is pretty small.*

Still I agree it is a bit too easy to believe just because we see a common foe means we will work always together. The fall of the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia's break-down, Iraq, all indicate that old enemies can work together for some time if united by a common goal (or oppressor), but if you don't fix the real reason behind it, things fall apart again and the old conflicts arise again once the pressing concerns have been fixed or the oppressing forces have been removed. (I think we can also an example on how to make things work out better - the European Union seems a good example for former foes finding together since the underlying reasons - mostly economical differences - where fixed). Well, maybe Linderman and Sylar had a few good ideas in this area, too, but otherwise it is probably naive.

But that's also the reason why Lindermans plan should be stopped - it will fail, even if Sylar wouldn't wreck them for his personal gain...


*) Note that this alone is very simplistic - I mean, come on, how is someone dangerous just because he has healing powers? Still Sylar/Nathans policy would condemn these too, and there would certainly be a lot opposed to simplifying things down to just the genetic component, too.
 
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I'm still trying to figure out when the haitian went from "He can erase memories" to being Leach...

Other than that, loved this episode. But like some others, I wanted Wicked Bad to see that fight between Peter and Sylar.

BTW: Did anyone else notice that Peter's entrance when he rescued Future Hiro and Ando (the way he moved, the body language especially), and the entire "attacking the building to rescure Past Hiro" scene was just SCREAMING The Matrix? When he swooped into rescure F. Hiro and Ando he just moved like Neo, doing that whole swirling, swimming-through-the-air thing... and when he and Hiro were fighting the guards, I couldn't resist looking over at my partner and saying "Guns... lots of guns..." *chuckles*
 

Wolv0rine said:
I'm still trying to figure out when the haitian went from "He can erase memories" to being Leach...

He always had it. I think that they're different manifestations of the same power (much like Hiro can stop time, teleport and time travel). Don't forget that Matt-the-psicop tried to read Bennett and couldn't because the Haitian was with Bennett at the time. He tried as hard as he could, and got a nosebleed and a little bit of information.
 

Taelorn76 said:
It seems like the key hero Sylar wanted was Claire. He pretty much said that when he finally caught her. So my thought is you keep him from finding Claire either you let her die in the fire, or put a branch in her head.
So, Hiro had it backwards: Kill the cheerleader, Save the World
 

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