Heroes Season 1(#20)---4/30/07-'(Five Years Gone)String Theory'

[Vocenoctum]

Interesting. Many have been yammering about the time paradoxes, but no one has mentioned the obvious. In the original dark future it was Sylar who blew up NY. It's in the new dark future (created by Peter saving Claire) that it was Peter who blew up.

Well, if we assume that FutureHiro actually did cut Sylar and Sylar healed, then that leads us to the fact that Hiro can alter the timeline, but doing so does not alter his perception of it, much like he can move while time is frozen.

Before alteration, Sylar may have exploded, or maybe it was always Peter. Either way, Sylar healed after a stab, until this was changed by FutureHiro.

And, to the point, FutureHiro is a dufus for not simply going back and killing Radioactive Man before his powers expressed.

But I still want to know what planet these people are living on? The writers are naively assuming that because the US does something every country in the world will go along in lock-step and do the same thing. I find it much easier to believe in Supers who break all the knowns laws of the universe than I can believe in that! Also, please note that despite all the controls, fear, hatred, etc., that new Supers are being born every day. And more of them. Obviously the Human race is evolving into a new species and if it keeps up the only way to stop it will be to kill off the entire Human race. Not a practical solution in my book.

I won't comment on other nations following the US' lead, but is there any sign that they actually did? We only saw the US, so far as I think.

While throwing stuff out there, we don't know when Sylar replaced Nathan. I really find it hard to imagine Sylar maintained enough sanity during the presedential campaign to win it, but also can't imagine him getting there after...

Also, if his plan for getting new powers was by going through Bennet, then he'd already have had to kill Candace before getting access to Candace... or something.

 

[LightPhoenix]

If he had control over Bennett it would have meant that he knew where Claire was the hold time and there would be no need for Matt to read Bennett's mind.

That is not exactly true, Matt and the Hatian were acting out of character and they were not an illusion

I disagree.

He did have control of the situation - through Matt. We know Bennett reported the non-dangerous heroes to Matt, per the episode. Matt could have easily read his mind to get the non-dangerous ones. Or, the Haitian could have worked his mojo and erased any memory of taking those records.

What I got from the episode - Matt knew Claire was alive, because he went to Bennett specifically to get her. He might not have known where, and perhaps out of a lingering friendship, didn't ask, since she wasn't dangerous. Furthermore, perhaps Matt knew about Sylar, perhaps not, but either Sylar or Nathan would want to see Claire, both believing she was dead. Failing his mission to capture Hiro, he needed something to bring back, hence Claire.

Also, with regards to acting out of character, Matt and the Haitian weren't. The latter is easier - he works for Ma Patrelli, it's likely he works for Nathan. As for Matt, we don't know what made him turn evil, but that wasn't out of character, that was in character for reasons unknown. Those reasons were even hinted at in the episode - probably something to do with his wife and son.

 

[DonTadow]

I disagree.

He did have control of the situation - through Matt. We know Bennett reported the non-dangerous heroes to Matt, per the episode. Matt could have easily read his mind to get the non-dangerous ones. Or, the Haitian could have worked his mojo and erased any memory of taking those records.

What I got from the episode - Matt knew Claire was alive, because he went to Bennett specifically to get her. He might not have known where, and perhaps out of a lingering friendship, didn't ask, since she wasn't dangerous. Furthermore, perhaps Matt knew about Sylar, perhaps not, but either Sylar or Nathan would want to see Claire, both believing she was dead. Failing his mission to capture Hiro, he needed something to bring back, hence Claire.

Also, with regards to acting out of character, Matt and the Haitian weren't. The latter is easier - he works for Ma Patrelli, it's likely he works for Nathan. As for Matt, we don't know what made him turn evil, but that wasn't out of character, that was in character for reasons unknown. Those reasons were even hinted at in the episode - probably something to do with his wife and son.

See, with time travel i try not to thin kabout it too much cause it gives you a headache. Heck, peter or future hiro can go back into the past and kill young radioactive man, maybe as a child or something. Or he can just takehim and put him in an unknown timezone. (prehistoric past??).
I'm thinking there are rules and the butterfly effect is a real doozy.

 

[John Crichton]

And, to the point, FutureHiro is a dufus for not simply going back and killing Radioactive Man before his powers expressed.

Hiro isn't into killing good guys. Plus, killing Ted may have altered things too much, like Parkman and Bennett would never have escaped without him.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Hiro isn't into killing good guys. Plus, killing Ted may have altered things too much, like Parkman and Bennett would never have escaped without him.

Is Ted a good guy? Who knows...

He didn't know what any of his alterations would do, so I don't think that matters a whole lot. There's plenty of plot reasons why perhaps he couldn't find/kill Ted, but I still think it makes more sense than "prevent Sylar from getting healing". How about prevent Sylar from meeting Doctor guy? How about preventing Sylar from meeting Ted...

 

[John Crichton]

Is Ted a good guy? Who knows...

Is he a bad guy?

He didn't know what any of his alterations would do, so I don't think that matters a whole lot. There's plenty of plot reasons why perhaps he couldn't find/kill Ted, but I still think it makes more sense than "prevent Sylar from getting healing". How about prevent Sylar from meeting Doctor guy? How about preventing Sylar from meeting Ted...

See, this is the problem with your plan: Hiro doesn't even have all the information we have regarding history. You may be able to see specific times where Hiro could have made a difference, but he can't.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Is he a bad guy?

See, this is the problem with your plan: Hiro doesn't even have all the information we have regarding history. You may be able to see specific times where Hiro could have made a difference, but he can't.

He knew about Claire though?

Ted is at least in some FBI database and maybe some newspapers, it's possible that there is info on him.

It's not a major thing, just one of the little flaws of an otherwise good show.

Heck, at least stopping Sylar at some early point should have been mentioned.

 

[John Crichton]

He knew about Claire though?

Sure, because Peter knew about Claire and they are buds.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Sure, because Peter knew about Claire and they are buds.

How did Peter know about Claire in the original timeline though?

 

[John Crichton]

How did Peter know about Claire in the original timeline though?

Since we haven't seen this timeline you are talking about, there could be any number of ways, especially with all the character connections through parents, events and such.