Heroes Season 1(#20)---4/30/07-'(Five Years Gone)String Theory'

[Vocenoctum]

My thinking is more in line with Steel Wind on this one. It is quite possible that "Save the Cheerleader" was a bit of red herring..or that the impact of that moment is not what Hiro expected.

To add to that, "Save the Cheerleader" sent Hiro to Texas to meet Charlie and attempt his time travel saving, didn't it? Lots of events were triggered by the time-jump of FutureHiro, but it doesn't look like he expected any of it. He seemed to just want to remove Sylar from having Claire's power.

The writers of the show have done a good job of factoring in ambiguity.

I think some clarification is needed on what you guys mean by ambiguity. Certain the paintings are open to interpretation, but when has the show reversed something done before hand regularly?

I find it entirely plausible that Mr. Bennett would chose the murder of Jackie at the High School to fake Claire's death and remove her from the view of the Organization and from Sylar. The implication being it is the results from the meeting of Peter and Claire that help spark saving the world, which is not exactly what Hiro intended.

If Peter hadn't been there with Claire, she would have followed Jackie into death most likely. There doesn't seem to be any way she was saved otherwise. That aside, Claire knew her father in Future, so it would seem that she was saved. It's possible that she was simply told, but it seems more likely that the show is telling us the truth and the timeline was altered. We're seeing an altered timeline where Claire was saved by Peter.

Future Peter had a scar that was running diagonally down his face. This is not consistent with the scar we would imagine would have formed from a battle w/ Sylar. It could be consistent with a Katana slash...it also implies that Future Peter at one point did not have or does not have regenerative powers...which would imply no meeting with Claire.

I'm of a mind that it will be a run in with the Haitian, perhaps in the Prison Break comic due.

We also know that there could potentially be 2 explanations for Peter going Nuclear. The first being genetic instability from absorbing powers, the other being Peter getting close to Ted.
In either case, the act of releasing the energy might not be fatal to the source.

I haven't heard the theory of "genetic instability", so can't say. Ted is immune to his powers, so I assume those getting his powers would be also.

As for Future Hiro saying he saw Sylar regenerate, there can be myriad explanations for that. Sylar is the ultimate Deus Machina character, after all we do not know what other supers he has "ate" and what other powers are at his disposal.

Could be lots of options, it could also be that Hiro did what he did and now it has been altered. The idea that Hiro's timejump didn't alter the 5YearsPast timeline just doesn't hold water for me. It also means Present Hiro can alter the timeline when he returns to it.

 

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Snow Raven commented that Hiro may be immune to paradox, just like he can remember altered timelines. Hasn't Ando also been able to remember altered timelines? Perhaps Ando has his own power, and that is it, somehow anchoring the timelines for Hiro.

Huh, I hadn't thought of that. I knew there was something that bugged me about Ando remembering (apparently) Charlie's original death and Hiro's time-jump attempt to save her, but I couldn't put my finger on it. No one else at the diner thought it was weird that Hiro suddenly showed up in a six-month-old photograph.

 

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Of course - why it wasn't "Peter freezing time and decapitating a helpless Sylar duel" is unknown...

Freezing time seems to take a few seconds (a standard action?), which would be plenty of time to get killed by Sylar. It's a nice, simple limit on such a powerful ability. Peter was able to freeze time quickly enough to avoid getting shot by Parkman, but he had a surprise round that time.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Huh, I hadn't thought of that. I knew there was something that bugged me about Ando remembering (apparently) Charlie's original death and Hiro's time-jump attempt to save her, but I couldn't put my finger on it. No one else at the diner thought it was weird that Hiro suddenly showed up in a six-month-old photograph.

Well, before modification, Charlie met Hiro and they were friendly and blah blah blah. The Sylar killed her. In revision, Hiro met her a long time before, so when they met the day before, she wouldn't be surprised to see him, but instead go "hey, where you been?" which would cause it's own wierdness. Then Sylar kills her.

Either way, Ando would still be there waiting. He never comments on Hiro's reception after the revision, so it's hard to say if Hiro was recognized, though I think the conversation would have had to reveal something.

It's hard to say really. I'd actually prefer if Ando was a normal person, but having a power wouldn't alter it too much for me.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

After rewatching this episode, I am wondering about a thing I only noticed this time.
- Hiro is asking HRG for a few people to help him, one of them is called Candice. Apparently, she was hidden away.
- Later, we learn that Sylar has Candices illusion power. That means he must have killed her.

But what does this mean? If he has hidden himself with Candice powers since the destruction of New York, when did HRG have the time to hide her (or when did Hiro rescue her?)
Did Sylar hide himself without Candices powers and became Nathan just very recently?

Did Sylar also keep the illusion of Candices survival? If he kept cutting peoples heads open after the explosion, someone must have noticed that there was still a serial killer out there matching Sylars description - Unless he perhaps disposed of the bodies a bit better and kept the illusion that the victims were still alive (it wouldn't be so hard in case of the people HRG had hidden - they had a new identity anyway and all old ties would be cut. And the occassional letter or telephone call should be easy to fake.)

It might be a plot hole, maybe I just misheard something, or there are still more things left unclear than we thought.

 

[Fast Learner]

He may have illusioned himself as Candace and been hidden away by HRG, to keep his cover.

 

[Nellisir]

Did Sylar hide himself without Candices powers and became Nathan just very recently?

I think he didn't become Nathan until relatively recently -- or at least, well after New York. Doesn't Sylar comment that Nathan was already "turning against his own kind" when he killed him? That suggests to me that Nathan was elected president, and laid the groundwork (the Linderman Act) that Sylar exploited. Sylar killing Nathan didn't have to happen at the explosion, after all - once he had Candice's power, he could be anyone, or no one, anywhere or anytime.

 

[Vocenoctum]

After rewatching this episode, I am wondering about a thing I only noticed this time.
- Hiro is asking HRG for a few people to help him, one of them is called Candice. Apparently, she was hidden away.
- Later, we learn that Sylar has Candices illusion power. That means he must have killed her.

I mentioned it before in the thread. Hiro mentions hiding DL and Candace, both of whom Sylar has the powers of. The logical train would be that Hiro led them to Bennet, who gave them to Parkman, who gave them to Nathan, but that'd require Sylar to be Nathan, which couldn't have happened.

Did Sylar also keep the illusion of Candices survival? If he kept cutting peoples heads open after the explosion, someone must have noticed that there was still a serial killer out there matching Sylars description

Fun thought would be that Parkman hid the bodies, since he read Sylars mind and knew he wasn't Nathan...

But, that doesn't seem likely. More likely Sylar just took the time to actually dispose of the bodies once he had a stabe environment to protect.


Hiding himself as Candace could work, but I've decided that Hiro was speaking of First Timeline, rather than Revised Timeline. In his timeline, Hiro rescued them and Bennet hid them. In revised timeline he didn't, and Sylar got them. Bennet doesn't really acknowledge Hiro, from what I recall, so maybe that's why he reported Hiro, he was making up names...

 

[Vocenoctum]

I think he didn't become Nathan until relatively recently -- or at least, well after New York. Doesn't Sylar comment that Nathan was already "turning against his own kind" when he killed him? That suggests to me that Nathan was elected president, and laid the groundwork (the Linderman Act) that Sylar exploited. Sylar killing Nathan didn't have to happen at the explosion, after all - once he had Candice's power, he could be anyone, or no one, anywhere or anytime.

The problem I have with it, is that Haitian and Parkman shoulda been able to know the difference. Also, I find it irritating to think that Sylar was Uber Villain and killed the president.

It's possible that Nathan passed the Linderman act as senator, got gacked and Sylar rode the wave to president. It also seems silly to call it the Linderman Act.
"To protect society, we're enacting this bill, which we're naming after the well known mob-boss who rigged my election."
::Crowd cheers::

 

[John Crichton]

It's possible that Nathan passed the Linderman act as senator, got gacked and Sylar rode the wave to president. It also seems silly to call it the Linderman Act.
"To protect society, we're enacting this bill, which we're naming after the well known mob-boss who rigged my election."
::Crowd cheers::

Or it's called the Linderman Act because he was outed as a threat and taken down.

Just sayin'.