Heroes Season 1(#20)---4/30/07-'(Five Years Gone)String Theory'

[papastebu]

I'm sure the guys transporting the prisoner in the ball of flame think otherwise...


Like I said, Ted is arrested, escapes FBI custody in a fiery manner, and knowing how Sylar's power works, they knew he had to have gotten it from somewhere. Ted is easier to track than Claire, simply by virtue of Claire having a mostly defensive power that had not really gone public yet.

That aside from "mooks" not counting as people though.


I think optimum might have been to prevent Sylar from ever learning of his potential powers by arranging to never meet Mohinders father.

But, as I said earlier, we don't know what impact any of this has on the timeline, and neither does Hiro, so that's a non-issue.



I can enjoy a flawed show and still recognize flaws in the material, I was just curious about it given your defense of the way it happened in show.

I'm curious if we'll get more of Hiro's father actually. I was sort of hoping to see something about him connected with Petrelli Sr and Linderman.

Someone should go back in time and make Sylar feel special, so that he doesn't feel the need to murder people and take their powres.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Someone should go back in time and make Sylar feel special, so that he doesn't feel the need to murder people and take their powres.

But this would immediately cause a paradox, as nobody needs to go back now to make Sylar feel special. Sylar must at least become a serial killer for anyone to have a reason to use time travel to stop him from doing something worse.
I think that might be the problem future hiro has encountered with his time travel (maybe that's what causes time rifts he talks about when he asks Peter to "Save the Cheerleader")

That's my theory on the limits of time travel in the show. We'll see if that holds.

 

[Taelorn76]

Guys, Sylar killed Jackie thinking she had the powers, but also remember that Claire walked in on it and tried to stop Sylar. After Sylar TK slammed her against a wall and she got up is when Sylar started going after her. So if Peter didn't save her from Sylar there, either someone else did, or Sylar got her.


Also on the theory that Peter looks like Sylar. Peter could come into contact with Candice and use her power to make himself look like Sylar if Hiro can't bring himself to stab Peter. Thus eliminating the whole argument of whether Sylar had healing powers or if Linderman some how healed him.

 

[Glyfair]

Guys, Sylar killed Jackie thinking she had the powers, but also remember that Claire walked in on it and tried to stop Sylar. After Sylar TK slammed her against a wall and she got up is when Sylar started going after her. So if Peter didn't save her from Sylar there, either someone else did, or Sylar got her.

...or Sylar got Claire, got her powers, but she still regenerated from it.

 

[Steel_Wind]

Guys, Sylar killed Jackie thinking she had the powers, but also remember that Claire walked in on it and tried to stop Sylar. After Sylar TK slammed her against a wall and she got up is when Sylar started going after her. So if Peter didn't save her from Sylar there, either someone else did, or Sylar got her.

Probably - yes. Unless the 1 minute convo with Peter that Claire had by the trophy case before she went into the locker room was the delay that ensured she would still be in the locker room when Sylar struck...

 

[papastebu]

But this would immediately cause a paradox, as nobody needs to go back now to make Sylar feel special. Sylar must at least become a serial killer for anyone to have a reason to use time travel to stop him from doing something worse.
I think that might be the problem future hiro has encountered with his time travel (maybe that's what causes time rifts he talks about when he asks Peter to "Save the Cheerleader")

That's my theory on the limits of time travel in the show. We'll see if that holds.

Nature fills a vacuum immediately by an inrushing of the matter surrounding it.
Time and space are essentially the same thing, or facets of the same thing.
A time-paradox is like a vacuum in time. Since no new events would be created, events as they stand, slightly altered by the "inrushing", would still be accurate until something so massive occurred that some totally-unrelated event had to fill the hole in time.
Basically, Sylar could be made into a model citizen, killed at birth, or turned into a monkey, and the people who were directly related---as in taking the actions that changed events---would still remember, unless it caused such a massive inrush of events that all of history in that moment were completely altered.
The same would be true of anything that was changed, regarding the people/events that caused the change.
EDIT: I submit that Claire didn't die in the locker room because she didn't die in the locker room. It was what happened, a la future Hiro's timeline, but he only changed the particulars by warning Peter, not the actual outcome. Some more massive, and altering action was needed to prevent the destruction of NYC, such as killing Sylar, etc. Hiro might have opted for the less-intrusive option simply because he was afraid that all of time would implode trying to correct the change in a viable way.
Also, New York's destruction was a catalyst, not the end of the world, itself. The worldwide ramifications are just beginning to be felt in the Five Years Gone episode. There's more to Claire's living than just regeneration of whomever blows up. She needs to be saved in the future, as well; her power or her presence is somehow key to world events.
Just brainstorming. I hate it when lightning comes out of my ears.

 

[BrooklynKnight]

It occurs to me, to wonder...why didn't Hiro and Peter go back in time and stop Sylar together?

The "meta" reason is that we dont have a show, but I wonder what the in show reason is.

 

[RangerWickett]

BK, my theory on that is that futureHiro could only go back in time to visit Peter on the subway while time was stopped, because he cannot actually alter the past. He showed up in Time Stop mode just to deliver a message. If he'd shown up out of Time Stop mode, he couldn't change anything.

 

[reanjr]

Here's my take on the timelines:

Timeline A:
Hiro spacetime jumps to New York, Syler kills Claire, Peter blows up New York (survives with regen powers from Syler), Nathan becomes president, Syler kills and impersonates him.

Timeline B:
Hiro spacetime jumps to New York, post-timeline-A Hiro spacetime jumps to warn Peter to save the cheerleader, Peter saves Claire, Peter blows up New York (survives with regen powers from Claire; scar is acquired under special circumstances [Hatian]), Nathan becomes president, Syler kills and impersonates him. Nothing has really changed except Claire is alive and in hiding.

Timeline C:
Hiro spacetime jumps to New York, ... etc... (as Timeline B), Hiro and Ando spacetime jump from pre-bomb Las Vegas to post-bomb New York and meet Timeline B Hiro (recently returned from the subway with Peter), and speculatively, spacetime jump back, kill Syler, and somehow avoid having Peter blow up with the knowledge received from Timeline B Hiro and the comic drawn by artist-guy-whose-name-I-forgot.

As far as I can tell, the rules of the game are as follows:
Jumping forward moves one to a time in the current universe.
Jumping backward moves one to a time in a different universe, or possibly, spins off a new universe from the old upon arrival.
Further explanation: The act of jumping does not significantly affect the source universe (beyond one's disappearence), and when jumping forward, one ends in same destination universe whose history does not include the jumper from the time of the jump (as if they winked out of existence then randomly winked back in later).
Visions of the future (a la heroin-boy) come exclusively from one's current universe.

Can anyone find contradictory evidence to these rules?

 

[reanjr]

BK, my theory on that is that futureHiro could only go back in time to visit Peter on the subway while time was stopped, because he cannot actually alter the past. He showed up in Time Stop mode just to deliver a message. If he'd shown up out of Time Stop mode, he couldn't change anything.

I think it's just the opposite. Hiro wanted to make sure the only changes he was making were intended so only wanted to affect Peter.