Heroes Season [Volume] 1(#23)---5/21/07-'How to stop an Exploding Man' Season Ending.

[occam]

An observation relating to the Peter-is-dumb-and-should-have-fought-better argument:

I think that was one of the points of the 5 Years Gone story: we get to see a competent, kick-ass Peter Petrelli go to town with Future-Hiro. I think that was their way of saying "yeah, we know what this guy is capable of, he's just not there yet". We see future peter use several powers at once (he moves a beer mug with TK while invisible, for example). He makes decisive tactical choices in mid-combat, actually has a plan of action, and wears badass black clothes. This was all done to contrast his current persona, as a way for the writers to say "we're not stupid, we're writing him this way on purpose...".

QFT!

 

[Vocenoctum]

Maybe so, but I wasn't playing D&D. I was watching a TV show. And when I'm watching a TV show, and a fight has this much buildup going into it, I expect to see something a bit more visually appealing than what was shown.

What's the tagline of Heroes? "Ordinary people discovering extraordinary abilities."

There was nothing extraordinary about the fight. It was all very dull and pedestrian.

Right, see, I didn't mean "this is great, it would be just like D&D combat!" I meant "it was stilted and badly paced, everyone acted in turn like some kind of turn-based combat". So, we agree.

 

[occam]

Sure, I understand that. I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with why Nathan felt he needed to commit suicide to help his brother rather then do the most logical action, which they had talked about and planned for and would result in nobody being killed.

You don't know that, and I don't think they did, either. Shooting Peter could've very well set him off right then and there. Much safer to get him out of the way.

 

[occam]

So, I wonder how future Hiro will react? I mean, in his world, Peter is alive. Will future Hiro be in an alternate timeline where Peter is still alive, or will the future be changed and the future Hiro we know (as well as the future we've seen) will be totally different?

There can be only one! Timeline, that is. The future that we saw in "Five Years Gone" is, well, gone.

 

[drothgery]

Now if only someone in the group had been dorky D&D playing, comic book reading dude (or dudette) like us, Sylar would've been history long ago. Actually, probably not.

The real problem is that Hiro ought to know this stuff; he has read more than his share of comics and played more than his share of video games. Maybe they'll just need to wait for Micah to grow up .

 

[Pseudonym]

The real problem is that Hiro ought to know this stuff; he has read more than his share of comics and played more than his share of video games. Maybe they'll just need to wait for Micah to grow up .

True, but how many dorks have talked tough on the internet about what they would do to that bully if they had the chance but froze up or never followed through in reality?

I thought Hiro's initial confrontation with Sylar was great because it was real, in the sense that a guy with a head full of fantasy who knows exactly what his favorite super hero would do or who can pull of that lethal combo on his Xbox, totally choked when the actual confrontation happened.

 

[Wycen]

I was trying to put elements of the show into Champions terms while reading this thread. Champions only because it is my favorite superhero system. I'm not sure it would work well for the show based on the characters being 1 power only or competent normals. Plus Peter and Sylar would have vastly more points.

In Hero system phases that battle would have taken a few hours, but probably ended up only being 2 rounds of time.

 

[Pseudonym]

I was trying to put elements of the show into Champions terms while reading this thread. Champions only because it is my favorite superhero system.

I do the same, but with M&M.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

You don't know that, and I don't think they did, either. Shooting Peter could've very well set him off right then and there. Much safer to get him out of the way.

I don't know what? What would actually happen? Sure. Who knows what was actually happen. However, we DO know what THEY thought would happen. They stated it repeatedly. They decided that, since Peter could easily survive it, Claire would shoot him if he started to go nuclear. That was the plan. They certainly seemed to believe in it. Claire knew Peter had her powers and she certainly understood her own power. Pretty clear. The justification of Nathan's actions is where the baseless speculation starts coming into play.

 

[Grog]

I don't know what? What would actually happen? Sure. Who knows what was actually happen. However, we DO know what THEY thought would happen. They stated it repeatedly. They decided that, since Peter could easily survive it, Claire would shoot him if he started to go nuclear. That was the plan. They certainly seemed to believe in it. Claire knew Peter had her powers and she certainly understood her own power. Pretty clear. The justification of Nathan's actions is where the baseless speculation starts coming into play.

Oh, that reminds me of something else that annoyed me - Bennett and Claire know that sedating Peter will stop him from blowing up (since it worked on Ted and it's the exact same power), yet neither of them thinks to bring along anything that could do that? Especially given that Bennett was just in what appeared to be at least a moderately well-stocked medical laboratory with a doctor?

I think they were veering dangerously close to an Idiot Plot, there.