Heroes Season [Volume] 1(#23)---5/21/07-'How to stop an Exploding Man' Season Ending.

[BraveSirRobin]

No, you just need to adjust what you think of as reasonable and normal, human actions instead of thinking everyone behaves like an omniscient viewpoint metagame-capable RPG player who has time to sit back and consider all logical alternatives to a problem while in a comfortable, non-threatening environment.

Normal, human actions?

Do you need to be an omniscient viewpoint metagame-capable RPG player for someone to actually double check and make sure that Sylar is dead? Heck there are dozens of people standing around, ambulances, the heores themselves and not a single one of them thought to go check on the body? That isn't metagame thought. It is just plain stupid. Nobody knew what all of Sylar's powers were. They also knew that some heroes had healing powers. It isn't even remotely logical that every single one of them would automatically assume that he died.

I won't even get into the whole Nathan unecessary suicide. I would love to hear a SIMPLE reason for that one based on NORMAL, HUMAN actions.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

- I wonder if Sylar maybe just lost all his acquired powers. Would be "fun" if he had to rely on his hands and a knife again to get his superpowers (because how long will it take him to get another Hero with telekinesis or his inborn laser). Unfortunately that would mean losing all the cool powers he already displayed but didn't use often (melting, for example)

I was hoping for the same thing if Sylar has to be back next season.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

For those that say we're missing the fact these are real people that can't see everything, the problem is twofold;
1) the same development occured over and over, yet they never gained the competence they needed. Sylar was defeated by his own incompetence, not by any ability of theirs.
2) None of this was Fight or Flight reflexes. They walked up, smacked him, then stood there debating. Peter was being choked and his reflex was to whine about maybe losing. Parkman gets shot and everyone stands around to wait their turns.

Also don't forget how cocky Parkman was about being able to take down Sylar when he was talking with Noah. Does Noah try to stop him? Explain to him how powerful Sylar is? Nope. Making it even worse is the fact that Parkman had already tried to shoot Sylar once before in episode 3. Sylar goes down and then gets right back up again. Did he think he had better bullets this time?

 

[BraveSirRobin]

Quoted for truth and to respond to the previous 3 quotes.

They've always tried to go to a "real" angle with this. Sure we could have had an x-men blow out fight, but the show would have leaned farther along the comicbook angle than the realistic powers angle they are going for.

Thiswas their first time any of them (outside of nicki) had attacked or fought with their powers. It was quirky and pretty quick.

(of course for everyone wishing this was d and d, it was 2 minutes, thats 20 rounds, )

Parkman, a trained police officer, had already fought Sylar once before. The first time he shot Sylar and was unable to kill him. Why he thought he would have greater success this time is a mystery.

Mohinder had also fought Sylar and actually managed to take him prisoner, until Sylar outwitted him and turned the tables. Mohinder only escaped because of the bumbling Peter's death was able to distract Sylar long enough for him to bash him over the head.

This was Peter's third time fighting Sylar. The first time was when he first saved Clair. The second time he at least managed to go invisible. The third time, he pushed aside help from others in order to punch Sylar.

This was also Hiro's third time fighting Sylar. He knew how dangerous Sylar was and also knew the prophecies that Sylar would survive being stabbed. And yet didn't bother to check. This one I can understand since he was immediately distracted by Peter's situation.

Noah had numerous encounters with Sylar. He knew exactly how dangerous Sylar was and how many times he could escape. Not even he bothered to check?

The only real part of their actions was their real stupidity.

 

[sniffles]

This isn't monday morning quarterbacking either, it stupidity of their actions were clear as they were happening.

Clear to you. But I would still contend that if you were there, in that situation, and you were one of those people and not yourself with your personal knowledge and experience, you might do exactly what they did.

 

[Vocenoctum]

OR the roaches were the next big bad's tools.

See Post 124 above.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Clear to you. But I would still contend that if you were there, in that situation, and you were one of those people and not yourself with your personal knowledge and experience, you might do exactly what they did.

I don't know, Bennet at least seems to be the type to make sure he's killed a guy. Hiro was removed, Peter too, Claire, Micah, Molly, sure. Mohinder though, he REALLY should have done some body searching, if only because the DNA would be useful.


Anyway, for the missing body, I assume that a couple of them DID verify Sylar's death and then went on tending to the wounded. The optimum ending would have been Parkman telling FBI chick "I got Sylar" and she goes over and looks at the blood trail, then screams "awww F@*%!".

But, that's just me.

 

[Mistwell]

Normal, human actions?

Yes.

Do you need to be an omniscient viewpoint metagame-capable RPG player for someone to actually double check and make sure that Sylar is dead? Heck there are dozens of people standing around, ambulances, the heores themselves and not a single one of them thought to go check on the body? That isn't metagame thought. It is just plain stupid. Nobody knew what all of Sylar's powers were. They also knew that some heroes had healing powers. It isn't even remotely logical that every single one of them would automatically assume that he died.

I think it is a normal human reaction to assume someone is dead when they get run through with a sword, fall unmoving to the ground, and then a friggen nuclear bomb goes off in the air distracting you and everyone for thousands of miles. I know I wouldn't have been bothered to check the body in those few minutes, and despite your claims to the contrary I doubt you would either. It sure seemed like a normal human reaction to just let the body lay where it was until the medical guys came there to do whatever it is they do with corpses.

I won't even get into the whole Nathan unecessary suicide. I would love to hear a SIMPLE reason for that one based on NORMAL, HUMAN actions.

I think it was obvious Peter felt incapable of doing anything at that moment other than standing there and exploding. That is why he asked Claire to shoot him. Either his powers work such that only one can be on at a given time, or he has a limited amount of energy to devote to powers in general and all was being eaten up in a feedback loop with Ted's power, or he had a normal human brain freeze reaction to suddenly becoming out of control radioactive and paniced, or any of a number of reasonable explanations. Whatever the explanation, he clearly thought all along that he was not able to get out of there under his own power, and needed an outside third party to help him (either by shooting him, or flying him away).

And, as a personal comment, I think you need to relax. You sound...wound up.

 

[Dire Bare]

Parkman, a trained police officer, had already fought Sylar once before. The first time he shot Sylar and was unable to kill him. Why he thought he would have greater success this time is a mystery.

Mohinder had also fought Sylar and actually managed to take him prisoner, until Sylar outwitted him and turned the tables. Mohinder only escaped because of the bumbling Peter's death was able to distract Sylar long enough for him to bash him over the head.

This was Peter's third time fighting Sylar. The first time was when he first saved Clair. The second time he at least managed to go invisible. The third time, he pushed aside help from others in order to punch Sylar.

This was also Hiro's third time fighting Sylar. He knew how dangerous Sylar was and also knew the prophecies that Sylar would survive being stabbed. And yet didn't bother to check. This one I can understand since he was immediately distracted by Peter's situation.

Noah had numerous encounters with Sylar. He knew exactly how dangerous Sylar was and how many times he could escape. Not even he bothered to check?

The only real part of their actions was their real stupidity.

Sorry, but you guys are still armchair quarterbacking the characters.

Everybody saw Hiro run Sylar through with a sword and then Sylar drops to the ground, dead or dying. With all else that is going on, dying Parkman, families reuniting, huge bomb going off in the atmosphere . . . I'm okay with nobody thinking, "That Sylar is one scary dude, and it wouldn't surprise me if he's not really dead." Heck, if I was there and thought Sylar might be still alive, I wouldn't go anywhere NEAR him!!

Parkman is a trained police officer. He's also shown repeatedly a major personality flaw, he's rash and emotional and doesn't always do the "wise" thing. Just going after Sylar was a stupid move, as Bennett tried to tell him.

Mohinder wasn't there to "fight" Sylar, he was there to ESCAPE from Sylar. He was also distracted by the shot Parkman.

Peter is not a fighter. He is there to confront Sylar, but certainly doesn't go about it the best way. Besides, the only reason why Peter DIDN'T kill Sylar himself is he started to lose control of "the bomb". And knowing the prophecies, Peter was understandably a little freaked out about this.

And you're complaining about Hiro not checking if Sylar was dead? Hiro is in medieval Japan at this point. Hard to check.

Bennett has a pretty good idea of what powers Sylar has. He knows regen (Claire's powers) isn't one of them. He just saw the dude run through with a sword. He's focused on his daughter, the only thing that matters to him anymore. While he can be a frighteningly efficient dude, he is a man who's life has been turned upside down and he's not up to his old super spy self.

Come on people, these guys aren't the Justice League, they are just regular folks given crazy powers that they haven't quite figured out what to do with yet.

Now if only someone in the group had been dorky D&D playing, comic book reading dude (or dudette) like us, Sylar would've been history long ago. Actually, probably not.

The only problem I had is that I too wanted to see more WHAM! BANG! action between Peter and Sylar. I feel how things went down fit well into the story, but would've liked the cool fight to please the 14-year-old boy inside me.

 

[DonTadow]

Parkman, a trained police officer, had already fought Sylar once before. The first time he shot Sylar and was unable to kill him. Why he thought he would have greater success this time is a mystery.

Mohinder had also fought Sylar and actually managed to take him prisoner, until Sylar outwitted him and turned the tables. Mohinder only escaped because of the bumbling Peter's death was able to distract Sylar long enough for him to bash him over the head.

This was Peter's third time fighting Sylar. The first time was when he first saved Clair. The second time he at least managed to go invisible. The third time, he pushed aside help from others in order to punch Sylar.

This was also Hiro's third time fighting Sylar. He knew how dangerous Sylar was and also knew the prophecies that Sylar would survive being stabbed. And yet didn't bother to check. This one I can understand since he was immediately distracted by Peter's situation.

Noah had numerous encounters with Sylar. He knew exactly how dangerous Sylar was and how many times he could escape. Not even he bothered to check?

Don't quote me if you don't offer a rebuttal to the quote. Again, this was the first time that any of them (other than nicki) used their powers vs another super in direct combat. It's easy to fire bullets into buckets in a field, its hard to shoot a target in the field.
The only real part of their actions was their real stupidity.

We actually don't know if someone checked on the body. I'm sure that someone did, they didn't need to rehash this thing. Sylar was dead. Somehow he has a power that can evade that. WE (the omniscient audience know this) but no one else does. Noah could know but with what was going on why was he thinking about that. Sylar was stabbed straight through with a sword. Its a cliffhanger, how did sylar get away....

Peter has faced sylar twice, this time being the actual fight, the last time being an unexpectd confrontation.