Heroes Season [Volume] 1(#23)---5/21/07-'How to stop an Exploding Man' Season Ending.

[BraveSirRobin]

Clear to you. But I would still contend that if you were there, in that situation, and you were one of those people and not yourself with your personal knowledge and experience, you might do exactly what they did.

Clear to many others as well. There are more then a few that had a similar thought process.

And lets not forget, these are not actual people reacting to actual situations. I am not blaming someone that couldn't perform under a pressure situation. I am criticizing the writer's thinking of how the characters would react to the situation. They are in no different boat then I am when deciding how the charachter would react. Their decisions are not above criticism by any means.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

Anyway, for the missing body, I assume that a couple of them DID verify Sylar's death and then went on tending to the wounded. The optimum ending would have been Parkman telling FBI chick "I got Sylar" and she goes over and looks at the blood trail, then screams "awww F@*%!".

But, that's just me.

I would have been much more satisified with it if they were would have added the three second snipet you described above.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

I think it is a normal human reaction to assume someone is dead when they get run through with a sword, fall unmoving to the ground, and then a friggen nuclear bomb goes off in the air distracting you and everyone for thousands of miles. I know I wouldn't have been bothered to check the body in those few minutes, and despite your claims to the contrary I doubt you would either. It sure seemed like a normal human reaction to just let the body lay where it was until the medical guys came there to do whatever it is they do with corpses.

In that particular moment sure. I can buy that. In the time it took for paramedics to called and arrive, treat parkman, and put him in the ambulance, and still nobody went to check on him?

Normal human reaction was for Nikky to check on DL despite being shot. Normal human reaction was for Mohinder to check on Parkman despite being shot six times. And yet normal human reaction is to not check on the suprepowerful bad guy that had been stabbed. Sorry not buying it.

I think it was obvious Peter felt incapable of doing anything at that moment other than standing there and exploding. That is why he asked Claire to shoot him. Either his powers work such that only one can be on at a given time, or he has a limited amount of energy to devote to powers in general and all was being eaten up in a feedback loop with Ted's power, or he had a normal human brain freeze reaction to suddenly becoming out of control radioactive and paniced, or any of a number of reasonable explanations. Whatever the explanation, he clearly thought all along that he was not able to get out of there under his own power, and needed an outside third party to help him (either by shooting him, or flying him away).

Sure, I understand that. I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with why Nathan felt he needed to commit suicide to help his brother rather then do the most logical action, which they had talked about and planned for and would result in nobody being killed.

And, as a personal comment, I think you need to relax. You sound...wound up.

You know what? You are right. I have been awfully stressed lately and is probably why I am so disappointed by the show. I was really looking forward to a great finale to what has been my favorite show of the year. It was easily the worst episode of the year and really left me angry. The good news is I am off for drinks in an hour, so I will hopefully be feeling better soon.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

We actually don't know if someone checked on the body. I'm sure that someone did, they didn't need to rehash this thing. Sylar was dead. Somehow he has a power that can evade that. WE (the omniscient audience know this) but no one else does. Noah could know but with what was going on why was he thinking about that. Sylar was stabbed straight through with a sword. Its a cliffhanger, how did sylar get away....

Peter has faced sylar twice, this time being the actual fight, the last time being an unexpectd confrontation.

Since everyone is insistent on comparing it to D&D, I will add my own comparison. Sylar escaping felt like railroading of the worst kind to me. The DM didn't want his pet NPC villan to die yet and created the most unlikely of senarios to pull it off.

As I mentioned previously, I would have been much happier if they added the three second cut scene of someone going to check on the body and seeing it has suddenly disappeared.

 

[Mallus]

I do have a problem with why Nathan felt he needed to commit suicide to help his brother rather then do the most logical action, which they had talked about and planned for and would result in nobody being killed.

Nathan felt the need to commit suicide because he felt guilty, for almost letting his brother die to further his political career.

The good news is I am off for drinks in an hour, so I will hopefully be feeling better soon.

Cheers!

 

[Randolpho]

I still think the roachs are not a power of Sylar's, but of someone else. The roach woke him up in captivity, the roachs dragged him off to the sewers.

I think he'll be back for second season without any of his powers. I think (and hope) they could build him into a good villain that way, if he can't just TK folks around and slice open heads.

OR the roaches were the next big bad's tools.

I think you two are onto something, and I agree.

I predict that it will turn out that Sylar is just BBEG's minion in season two. The roaches are definitely connected to him in some way; perhaps he has some form of control over them and uses them to communicate with Sylar, etc.

Also, given Sylar's particular remark to Peter (IIRC it was something along the lines of "see, it turns out *I'm* the hero and you're the villain), his visit with moms, and a certain nagging feeling, I think Sylar will end up "converting" mid-season, telling the heroes all about the new mystery BBEG and how to defeat him/her.

 

[Vocenoctum]

I think it is a normal human reaction to assume someone is dead when they get run through with a sword, fall unmoving to the ground, and then a friggen nuclear bomb goes off in the air distracting you and everyone for thousands of miles.

As previously mentioned in this thread, everyone in NY had gone on vacation and the city was actually deserted.

That said, these are not normal humans, half of them went there expecting a nuclear blast, all of them went there planning murder of some sort (okay, not Mohinder & the kids, but still), quite a few of them have had someone they love killed by Sylar when they thought he was dead.

I know I wouldn't have been bothered to check the body in those few minutes, and despite your claims to the contrary I doubt you would either. It sure seemed like a normal human reaction to just let the body lay where it was until the medical guys came there to do whatever it is they do with corpses.

The thing isn't so much that they didn't check the body right away, the thing is that they never checked it. We don't know when it disappeared, we only know that it did, at some point before Parkman was loaded into the ambulance.

It was a Plot Device, pure and simple, a dramatic moment for the audience to wonder about Sylar and how he escaped.

I think it was obvious Peter felt incapable of doing anything at that moment other than standing there and exploding. That is why he asked Claire to shoot him. Either his powers work such that only one can be on at a given time, or he has a limited amount of energy to devote to powers in general and all was being eaten up in a feedback loop with Ted's power, or he had a normal human brain freeze reaction to suddenly becoming out of control radioactive and paniced, or any of a number of reasonable explanations. Whatever the explanation, he clearly thought all along that he was not able to get out of there under his own power, and needed an outside third party to help him (either by shooting him, or flying him away).

See, if he had gotten Ted's powers right away, that'd be something with me. Instead, he got Ted's powers, almost lost control then said "oh, wait, I'm better". Then he started losing control again and passed out in the street, then finally, at the climax, he starts losing control and his response? The moment he has been training for since his first prophetic dream?

He gives the same hopeless response he's been giving us all season.

IMO, his character has diversified, but hasn't grown at all really. At least Claire came to grips with being Ms Abbie Normal, Peter still had the same insecurities as he did at the start. He wanted to be special, and when he IS special, he still just wanders around all goofballish.

 

[Grog]

It's what D&D combat would look like from the outside probably. Or one of the old turnbased RPG combat games like FF.
Sylar wins init, uses Force Choke. Peter loses an action, Parkman shoots, Sylar uses a Swift Action to rebuff, Nikki hits, it's Sylars turn now...

Maybe so, but I wasn't playing D&D. I was watching a TV show. And when I'm watching a TV show, and a fight has this much buildup going into it, I expect to see something a bit more visually appealing than what was shown.

What's the tagline of Heroes? "Ordinary people discovering extraordinary abilities."

There was nothing extraordinary about the fight. It was all very dull and pedestrian.

 

[LightPhoenix]

I didn't love it -- I couldn't figure out why Peter couldn't just fly away by himself, and I couldn't figure out how Sylar allowed himself to get stabbed. And I didn't really feel the emotions I was probably supposed to feel.

I have a couple theories. It could really be any combination of:

A) Peter has never been shown to use more than one power at once. This suggests, but is not definitive, of Peter only being able to use one at once.

B) Peter reached his limit on powers, and was stuck with Ted's radioactivity and no way to control it. Contrast with Sylar, whose Way Things Work ability lets him know how to use powers.

C) Peter was freaking out, and couldn't concentrate enough to change powers, fly away, or what have you.

D) Peter was focusing on not blowing up.

Can he? I can't specifically recall any situation where he has. I'm not saying this is wrong, but I'm curious as to where we've seen it. Most of the time he just uses a lot of TK. Grab Peter, TK. Shoot Matt, TK. Fling Hiro, TK.

In the episode about him, he moves the snowglobes and creates snow at the same time.

 

[occam]

I have never seen the streets of NYC so empty.

No kidding! I was wondering about that, too.