Heroes Season [Volume] 1(#23)---5/21/07-'How to stop an Exploding Man' Season Ending.

[BraveSirRobin]

Parkman's not sure that bullets don't do much to Sylar, is he?

Yes he is. He has shot Sylar before with no effect.

 

[papastebu]

Which episode was that? I don't recall seeing it happen. I remember a lot of guns being fired in the show over the season, but that doesn't stick out. Are you talking about the graphic novels? I haven't seen but a few pages of one in the book store, and it sold sometime that day, because I came back and it was gone.
But anyway...

 

[Tolen Mar]

That was rather early in the season, after Parkman had teamed up with the FBI chick. They chased him into an alley. At this point, the only view we've had of Sylar has been a fellow in a dark jacket and ballcap (the outift Sylar had on in the restaraunt later on).

The bullets didn't do a thing to him. A little bit of TK later, and he was gone.

I don't remember the name of the episode though.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

Episode 3

 

[papastebu]

Actually, the best plan would have been to sedate him, since they knew from previous experience that that would work.

Does spontaneous regeneration take care of toxins, as well? Has Claire ever been sick or gotten food poisoning? Would anything like that work on Peter now?

 

[papastebu]

Episode 3

I'm really looking foreward to getting the season on DVD, for just such occasions as these. :\

 

[Vocenoctum]

Parkman's not sure that bullets don't do much to Sylar, is he?

As mentioned, he tried to shoot before and it was a failure. Hence "tried the failed tactic again". It WAS a while ago though, but since I came into the show around ep 14, it's fresher to me.

And, not trying to be snarky at all, these aren't the X-Men. They haven't been trained in the use of their powers, team-based combat, or even working together---other than HRG's guidance when the three of them were busting out of captivity. They've hardly known each other, up 'til now,and some of them are meeting for the first time in that plaza---Peter and the Hawkins family, for example---and are in exceedingly stressful circumstances, to boot.

Right, but time DOES pass. They seem unable to process past events. Bennet lets Parkman wander off, neither of them seeming to understand the power Sylar has. Mohinder focuses on Molly to the exclusion of understanding that Sylar is on his way and that defeating him is important.

They really do just kind of wander through life.

Another thing to remember, all of the injuries occur from Sylar's puissance, not from anyone else's incompetence.

Sylar was using powers while they stood there waiting their turn. Parkman was injured due to his own idiotic actions, Bennet wasn't even really injured I think. Claire just kind of stood there, Nikki runs over, gets in a hit and they just stand there.

But, it truely was Sylar's incompetence that defeated him.

They's all jus' folks, ya know? With awesome cosmic power, sure, but just people.

Sorry, I just don't buy it. They're not normal folks anymore. They may not be Uber, or trained well, but they have been through a lot. As characters they haven't grown at all and their idea of how to use their powers is absent of any sort of progression.

But seriously, lets deal with untrained folks in a stressful situation. Shouldn't Peter unleash his most offensive or defensive power as soon as Bennet went flying? Heck, Parkman's tactic was bad, but at least he acted quickly. Nikki punchs him, and they just kind of stand there, instead of beating the $*** out of him.

I don't think anyone considers the "normal" human reaction to stand there calmly, but that's exactly what they did.

 

[Vocenoctum]

I'm really looking foreward to getting the season on DVD, for just such occasions as these. :\

They are still available on the website, last I checked. Assuming you don't go the torrent route.

Oddly enough, some of the episodes on the website are altered from the way they aired. I only noticed it in recaps though.

It's an odd element. In the next to last episode, the recap scene's were reshot and altered from the original scene's. Then the recap was altered on the site. I'm not sure why they do this, but such is life.

 

[DonTadow]

As mentioned, he tried to shoot before and it was a failure. Hence "tried the failed tactic again". It WAS a while ago though, but since I came into the show around ep 14, it's fresher to me.




Right, but time DOES pass. They seem unable to process past events. Bennet lets Parkman wander off, neither of them seeming to understand the power Sylar has. Mohinder focuses on Molly to the exclusion of understanding that Sylar is on his way and that defeating him is important.

They really do just kind of wander through life.



Sylar was using powers while they stood there waiting their turn. Parkman was injured due to his own idiotic actions, Bennet wasn't even really injured I think. Claire just kind of stood there, Nikki runs over, gets in a hit and they just stand there.

But, it truely was Sylar's incompetence that defeated him.


Sorry, I just don't buy it. They're not normal folks anymore. They may not be Uber, or trained well, but they have been through a lot. As characters they haven't grown at all and their idea of how to use their powers is absent of any sort of progression.

But seriously, lets deal with untrained folks in a stressful situation. Shouldn't Peter unleash his most offensive or defensive power as soon as Bennet went flying? Heck, Parkman's tactic was bad, but at least he acted quickly. Nikki punchs him, and they just kind of stand there, instead of beating the $*** out of him.

I don't think anyone considers the "normal" human reaction to stand there calmly, but that's exactly what they did.

AGain, none, of them have ever used their powers in a tactical situation. Parkman is not all that smart and is very gunhoe, heck he still thought he could take out sylar, which means that he did not process that sylar has some kind of power that prevents him from being shot. As far as Parkman knows, he missed or sylar was wearing a vest.

This is the problem. It seems you're unable to take yourself out of the telelvision viewer and put yourself in the environment. They are not combat characters

 

[Vocenoctum]

AGain, none, of them have ever used their powers in a tactical situation. Parkman is not all that smart and is very gunhoe, heck he still thought he could take out sylar, which means that he did not process that sylar has some kind of power that prevents him from being shot. As far as Parkman knows, he missed or sylar was wearing a vest.

Where was that again? If we're going to assume stuff that's not in the show, I'll assume Bennet told him all about Sylar during one of their times togethor. After all, that's how he became aware of Bennet...

He saw Sylar go down, he can be reasonably sure he hit. Perhaps then, he thought Sylar had a vest. SO, by all means, time to shoot him again in the same way. As I said, he retired a failed tactic.

This is the problem. It seems you're unable to take yourself out of the telelvision viewer and put yourself in the environment. They are not combat characters

So, as a non-combat character, what should they have done? Stood around and waited?

Realistically, we differ in our opinion of what should have happened. I chalk it up plot device and so-so writing in a season full of mediocre pacing and uneven development in an otherwise fun show. You think what happened is justified.

Neither of us has any In Show justification for why what happened was there, so saying that I'm not putting myself in the environment isn't exactly accurate. You're putting yourself in an environment that isn't there, IMO. It's a pretty blanket response without actually responding to what I say. Do you think they are normal people after this seasons events? Do you believe that is a realistic depiction of what such a person, normal or no, would do? Wait in line for their turn to perform?