Heroes Season [Volume] 1(#23)---5/21/07-'How to stop an Exploding Man' Season Ending.

Vocenoctum said:
But seriously, lets deal with untrained folks in a stressful situation. Nikki punchs him, and they just kind of stand there, instead of beating the $*** out of him.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is something that totally blew my Suspension of Disbelief. For those of you who keep asking What Would You Do in this situation, I'd be stomping on Sylar's throat two seconds after he went down. And yelling for someone to find a big rock to bash his head in. HOW many people has this guy killed? Yeah, I'd probably get arrested if I didn't bug out, but I'd make damn sure he was dead before I did.
 

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DonTadow said:
AGain, none, of them have ever used their powers in a tactical situation. Parkman is not all that smart and is very gunhoe, heck he still thought he could take out sylar, which means that he did not process that sylar has some kind of power that prevents him from being shot. As far as Parkman knows, he missed or sylar was wearing a vest.

This is the problem. It seems you're unable to take yourself out of the telelvision viewer and put yourself in the environment. They are not combat characters

Not true.

Nikki has used her powers in a tactical situation coutless times. Parkman has as well, one example of which is when he was fighting Jessica. Peter has also used his powers in his two previous encounters with Sylar.

You also can't explain away everyone's ineptitude by saying they are all non-combat characters and at the same time say it is reasonable for him to dismiss the one truly experienced combat character in the group to fight Sylar alone. Is that what a non-combat character, as you describe, would do?
 

Ed_Laprade said:
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is something that totally blew my Suspension of Disbelief. For those of you who keep asking What Would You Do in this situation, I'd be stomping on Sylar's throat two seconds after he went down. And yelling for someone to find a big rock to bash his head in. HOW many people has this guy killed? Yeah, I'd probably get arrested if I didn't bug out, but I'd make damn sure he was dead before I did.

Well, Nikki hasn't really encountered Sylar, I think. The rest have all been sort of scarred by him. I also wouldn't worry about the police, apparently they were on vacation with the rest of the city. :)

To follow-on;
DL has Linderman's bullets in him, and probably his blood on his fist.
Bennet's gun killed <Eric Roberts character>, but luckily he passed it off to his daughter Claire... (we'll be generous and assume he ditches the gun before the cops show up. Probably down the same sewer hole that Sylar is taken down.) Still a matter of the video, but I think it's okay.
Parkman's in the clear, he only shot himself...
I think Hiro will be fine though. I doubt the sword guy would testify that Ando bought the sword, and the sword is gone anyway. Plus, no corpse.

So, really, I think DL is the only one going to jail, right now. Well, once he gets out of the hospital.

Assuming Candace & Nikki's girl fight doesn't amount to any charges.
 

papastebu said:
The only explanations I'm actually missing, in story, are the non-notice of Sylar's body's disappearance, and Claire actually finding the plaza, and the why of Nathan having to sacrifice himself.

The only one I can answer is Claire finding the plaza. Peter and Claire went to the Plaza the previous episode where they encountered Ted, and Peter got Ted's power. Claire and Peter were then sent away to leave town. So Claire has been there before. Claire is also a teenager and not an idiot. I am fairly certain she could use a map or ask directions if she needed to, this however doesn't need to be shown on camera for me to accept it.
 

BraveSirRobin said:
Not true.

Nikki has used her powers in a tactical situation coutless times. Parkman has as well, one example of which is when he was fighting Jessica. Peter has also used his powers in his two previous encounters with Sylar.

Well to be fair Nikki really hasn't used her powers in tactical situations, that was Jessica. ;)
 

Taelorn76 said:
Well to be fair Nikki really hasn't used her powers in tactical situations, that was Jessica. ;)
I think that's an important point. Nikki has never used her powers in a tactical situation, only her "alter ago" (whatever it was/is - Shizophrenia, Multiple Personality Disorder, a Ghost).
 

Ed_Laprade said:
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is something that totally blew my Suspension of Disbelief. For those of you who keep asking What Would You Do in this situation, I'd be stomping on Sylar's throat two seconds after he went down. And yelling for someone to find a big rock to bash his head in. HOW many people has this guy killed? Yeah, I'd probably get arrested if I didn't bug out, but I'd make damn sure he was dead before I did.
LOL
NO you wouldn't.

Everyone says this, but in that situation, with that kinda supernatural crap going on, you wouldn't know what to do. Now, your d and d character might do something, but real people don't act on initiative order. Reread your statement. This sounds like "what my character would do".

There's one of two mindsets, either
A. you know this guy is dangerous, which means you don't want to get too close because you dont know what to do
B. you don't know what this guy is or can do, and you're trying to be careful considering you already have injured loved ones

Where was that again? If we're going to assume stuff that's not in the show, I'll assume Bennet told him all about Sylar during one of their times togethor. After all, that's how he became aware of Bennet...

He saw Sylar go down, he can be reasonably sure he hit. Perhaps then, he thought Sylar had a vest. SO, by all means, time to shoot him again in the same way. As I said, he retired a failed tactic.
Parkman didn't know about sylars party and we can only assume he still doesn't know the extent. After all, Parkman and HG was not planning on attacking sylar, so why would they be discussing strategy for stopping him. What's more likely. You shoot someone, and they get up.
a. you think, man he must have some type of telekinetic forcefield that has repelled my shots.
b. I missed.
c. I must not have gotten a good shot or he's wearing something

Of course if you watch the show, and go into "what would my character do mode" then yeah you choose a because you know about Sylar and his powers and what he could do. but in the show you choose B or c.
I think that's my fundamental problem with the repetition of the season. The characters never learned/ advanced. They were still as badly organized at the end as they were at the start. There was no plan of attack, there was no coordination, they didn't share information. Bennet and Mohinder at the least should have a good idea of what powers he's got. Parkman's policy of "try the failed tactic again" seemed a bit pointless.
They are not a superteam group. They barely know how to control their powers let alone work out a team plan with them. We know the writers are stupid. We gather that from the five year episode that it takes real time to master powers and to learn how to control them in an environment.

Not true.

Nikki has used her powers in a tactical situation coutless times. Parkman has as well, one example of which is when he was fighting Jessica. Peter has also used his powers in his two previous encounters with Sylar.

You also can't explain away everyone's ineptitude by saying they are all non-combat characters and at the same time say it is reasonable for him to dismiss the one truly experienced combat character in the group to fight Sylar alone. Is that what a non-combat character, as you describe, would do?
Actually Jessica has, not Nicki and Parkman was a beat cop who couldn't even pass the detective exam. We're not talking about the S.W.A.T. team here, we're talking about traffic violations and putting down yellow tape.
 

Vocenoctum said:
Well, Nikki hasn't really encountered Sylar, I think. The rest have all been sort of scarred by him. I also wouldn't worry about the police, apparently they were on vacation with the rest of the city. :)
I so wanted Nikki to whack Sylar at least one more time with the parking meter! But yeah, she's about the last person to have any real reason to do so. So he's another guy with funky powers? Big deal, so's just about everyone else there... and her husband's been gut shot!
 

DonTadow said:
LOL
Actually Jessica has, not Nicki and Parkman was a beat cop who couldn't even pass the detective exam. We're not talking about the S.W.A.T. team here, we're talking about traffic violations and putting down yellow tape.

So then I assume that you thought that Nicki acted out of character since she actually acted "smartly" and attacked Sylar like a "combat character" would? Can't have it both ways.

And Parkman still has training. He has fired his weapon on several occassions and has been in combat situations. For everyone inovlved in the battle (Nikki, Parkman, Bennet, Peter and Hiro) they had all been involved in fighting before and except Nikki had actually fought Sylar before. If they weren't mentally prepared to do so then they should never actively gone to face him. This wasn't them being taken by suprise. They were headed to this location with the intent to confront and kill Sylar.
 

Ed_Laprade said:
I so wanted Nikki to whack Sylar at least one more time with the parking meter! But yeah, she's about the last person to have any real reason to do so. So he's another guy with funky powers? Big deal, so's just about everyone else there... and her husband's been gut shot!

So then you think it was inconsistent for her to even hit Sylar with the meter in the first place? I mean, if her husband is her only thought and Syler is no big deal then why even bother attacking him the first time.
 

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