Heward's Handy Haversack = free Quickdraw? +Quiver of Ehlonna questions

[kreynolds]

The way I've always interpreted it is that the Quiver can hold 20 arrows in real space ("This appears to be a typical arrow container capable of holding about 20 arrows").

Gotcha. I don't interpret it that way though. Note that it says "appears to be". Closer examination reveals that it is not.

 

[Hypersmurf]

OK, so what good IS a Quiver of Ehlonna? The description DOESN'T even say that it reduces weight like a HHH or Bag of Holding does..

The spears, javelins, and arrows you store in the Quiver are in extra-dimensional space.

Bags of Holding don't reduce the weight of things - they simply store them off-plane. The bag has a fixed weight regardless of what is in it, because you're not actually carrying the things in the bag.

A Quiver of Ehlonna also stores things in extra-dimensional space. It doesn't need to say anything about the weight of the spears and javelins, because you're not carrying them.

-Hyp.

 

[kreynolds]

OK, so what good IS a Quiver of Ehlonna?

You mean besides the fact that a normal quiver can only hold a max of 20 arrows but this one holds 60, and that only uses one third of its storage capacity?

 

[kreynolds]

Having an item in the form of a quiver that allows an archer to carry lots of arrows but not shoot any of them seems to make no sense...

Nothing says you can't carry two quivers though. I think its still pretty useful, especially considering its low cost.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Nothing says you can't carry two quivers though. I think its still pretty useful, especially considering its low cost.

It doesn't make sense to shape it like a quiver if it doesn't work like a quiver, though

-Hyp.

 

[0-hr]

I would not allow someone to draw both his weapon AND his quiver of arrows from the hoversack in one round.

Hoversack? Don't you think this item is powerful enough as is?

I just wanted to point out that you can draw a quiver from a haversack as a free action. You can't draw an arrow from a quivier from a haversack though. If your arrows are in a quiver in a haversack, then they aren't really available for immeadiate use. And if they are not in quivers, then we have the "pointy thing" problem again.

Now, the two side pockets on the haversack are about the size of a quiver, so I could see a quiver set into those such that the top sticks out (making the arrows accessible). But this isn't really gaining you much over a pair or normal quivers (except it would look funky to see these 3ft arrows being pulled out of these short side pockets). Maybe the DM would let you make one big custom quiver that could "line" the inside of your haversack?

Also, a really nasty (and smart) villian could hire some goblin archers (with their handy True Strike potions) to shoot an arrow or two in the heroe's backbacks (striking a worn object). Can you imagine the woe and anquish when the bag is pierced and all of it's contents are lost forever?

 

[Alchemist]

I remember the last time kreynolds here gently pointed out the seeming uselessness of the Quiver. While kreynolds is 100% correct by the book, I think most people just assume (read: houserule without actively writing it up in the campaign charter) that it acts like a regular quiver, but holds tons more stuff. I know I do. Though I like Hypersmurf's interpretation.

 

[Murrdox]

Ummm... is this the item you guys are talking about? Got it from the SRD, but it's not named the same...

Efficient Quiver
This appears to be a typical arrow container capable of holding about 20 arrows. Examination shows that it has three distinct portions, each with an extradimensional space allowing it to store far more than would normally be possible. The first and smallest one can contain up to 60 objects of the same general size and shape as an arrow. The second slightly longer compartment holds up to 18 objects of the same general size and shape as a javelin. The third and longest portion of the case contains as many as six objects of the same general size and shape as a bow (including spears, staffs, etc.). Once the owner has filled it, the owner can command the quiver each round to produce any stored items he or she wishes.
Caster Level: 9th; Prerequisites: Craft Wondrous Item, secret chest; Market Price: 1,800 gp; Weight: -.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Ummm... is this the item you guys are talking about? Got it from the SRD, but it's not named the same...

That's the one.

The SRD has been 'genericised' to get rid of proper nouns.

Which is why wizard spells in the SRD have exciting names like "Sword", "Transformation", or "Tiny Hut".

(From memory - I use the OpenGamingFoundation version of the SRD, which still has the proper nouns...)

-Hyp.

 

[kreynolds]

I remember the last time kreynolds here gently pointed out the seeming uselessness of the Quiver.

I don't. Must have been more than three days ago.