Hextor and Heironeous's common parent?

[S'mon]

Digging out my 1983 WoG box, I find that Zilchus is the only mentioned LN Oeridian Greater God, thus a likely father. Mothers -maybe Atroa (Spring, East Wind, NG) and Wenta (Autumn, West Wind, CG)?

The discussion is pretty academic I have to say, but a single LN mother and good & evil fathers would seem like a reasonable explanation - Pholtus is Oerid so he could've been Heironeius' dad, Hextor is the only LE Oerid god mentioned, his dad could've been an arch-devil, or could've been Zilchus ("the love of money is the root of all evil"), perhaps a more interesting approach.

 

[Regdar]

stern alia, there's nothing saying she is LN. The god of war was most likely, since he had paladins.

1983 Stuff no longer applies, only if you hold onto pre 3E dogma. Chainmail is considered official, and has overlap.

There is no mention of the father, and who says there needs to be, there is real myth with fatherless/motherless deities.

 

[S'mon]

That's pretty pathetic, Regdar. As has been pointed out, if you accept as 'the truth' merely whatever the latest, changeable word is from whoever's running Greyhawk this month, 'the truth' is inherently changeable, so there's not much point debating it. Why not look at the original source material? The new stuff is all derived from it, anyway. It's the base the rest is built on. If you take away the base there's nothing to build on, it's all completely ephemeral.

 

[Cheerio]

Trying to guess father (or mother) on basis of alignment is IMHO a bit skewed, since AFAIK alignments are not hereditary.

And who knows about gods, the mother (or father) could be a mortal!

Cheers,
FB

 

[herald]

Ok, As far as I know, the whole Stern Alia this is infact now canon. When I attended the Chainmail conferance at Gencon 2001, it was stated that the events that happened in chainmail are now tied to Greyhawk canon.

But this tie had already been made much earlier by Erik Mona,...sort of.

Stern Alia was sort of a cast off diety that wasn't really fleshed out. Not an any sense of the gereral Greyhawk playing public. If I remember correctly, she shows up as a pregenerated characters diety, but there is no mention of what she was.

If my memory serves, Erik had named her as one of the nine dieties trapped by Zagyg on his path to apothosis.


But lets get beyond that for the moment.

Why do Herionious, Hexitor and Stratus need a father. We're talking about divine beings here.

Athena emerged from Zeus' head full grown after his head was cracked open to relieve a headache.

Many religions have immaculate conceptions of divine beings from other divine entities. (I'm not going there with Christianity, there are striking differances there.)

Who knows, maybe Stern Alia is the opposite of Professor Nutronium and insted of the powerfuff girls, came up with three brothers who like to kick but.

 

[Henry]

Alia, if I recall from original source material, was a goddess of law. I recall one pregenerated character in the Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan who worshipped her, and at the time was considered one of the last true worshippers left. She was a deity from the Great Kingdom area, over near what is now the Kingdom of Ahlissa, was she not?

Stern Alia would make a fitting mother deity - but so would Beory the Earth Mother, for that matter! There is no one answer - just like many questions in classical and norse mythology, the answer depends on who you ask.

 

[Umbran]

No mention of canon was made, anywhere. The asker wanted to know if there was any information about the brothers. I was relaying that there was some interesting information at the above mentioned site.

For future reference - context is important.

In context, the usual (and reasonable) assumption would be that Thebalor was looking for official, WotC statements.

You didn't say it was canon, but from context, the reader would probably assume that you were referring to an authoritative source. While you didn't say it was canon, you also didn't say that it was most certainly unofficial, either. If you had simply said, "In Tal meta's excellent fan writeup..." you'd have run into no problems.

 

[NLP]

For future reference - context is important.

In context, the usual (and reasonable) assumption would be that Thebalor was looking for official, WotC statements.

You didn't say it was canon, but from context, the reader would probably assume that you were referring to an authoritative source. While you didn't say it was canon, you also didn't say that it was most certainly unofficial, either. If you had simply said, "In Tal meta's excellent fan writeup..." you'd have run into no problems.

Ever heard that old adage about the word assume?

 

[Deedlit]

If they only had one parent, then they would be brothers, not half-brothers. I can't imagine Erthynul being the father of Heironeous myself, as they are as opposed in views as Pelor and Nerull. (Wonders if Col_Pladoh will come to this thread and explain his view on the issue)

 

[Umbran]

Ever heard that old adage about the word assume?

*sigh*. Yes. Ever notice how overused it is? Ever notice that it's generally untrue? Ever notice how often on a given day you make an assumption as part of normal communication?

Putting aside the question of whether or not a person should, in a given instance, make an assumption, the practical fact is that people will do so. You ought to be prepared for it.

If you had included one word, only three letters, you could have avoided the assumption altogether. Without that, how much typing have you done to disabuse people of their assumption? *shrug* You can do the math for yourself.