History Rhymes: Another Gygax Lawsuit

Don't get me wrong, I understand why many people were disappointed by the bait and switch. But that seems to be what most people hate WG7 for, rather than its content.
I hate it for both the bait and switch and its (IMHO) awful content. When it first came out, I thought some of it was at least funny, and tried to run it; and it was pretty unusably bad. It put its jokes ahead of being a good adventure, far far ahead, and it suffered terribly for it.

But that's, like, just my opinion, man.
 

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I hate it for both the bait and switch and its (IMHO) awful content. When it first came out, I thought some of it was at least funny, and tried to run it; and it was pretty unusably bad. It put its jokes ahead of being a good adventure, far far ahead, and it suffered terribly for it.

But that's, like, just my opinion, man.

How dare you! That's, like, my opinion, bruh. And opinions are like Highlanders- THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE MINE!
 

IMHO, WG7 Castle Greyhawk isn't nearly as bad as its reputation suggests. Sure, it's a terrible Greyhawk module, but taken as its own thing, it's actually pretty good. Well, parts of it are. The three biggest criticisms I'd level at it are:

-Some groaningly bad attempts at humor (there are actual funny jokes as well, to be fair).

-Lack of overall cohesion. Feels like 12 separate one-level dungeons instead of 1 13-level dungeon. And it is. A few of the levels don't even seem to have any way to go up or down to other levels. Which is easily fixed, but really dumb. Levels get tougher as you go deeper, as seen in the recommended character Levels for each adventure... until they don't. Like, they just kinda gave up on the idea of recommended character Levels 3/4 of the way in. I'd love to hear about the production of this one, my guess is everyone was working separately, with little or no input or even contact from the other contributors. Some of these may have been intended as/for other projects.

-Some rather nasty (even if they're rooted in truth) digs at Gygax.

I'll also point out that some of the humor hasn't aged well, being based on pop culture references that are now outdated (and some of which were none too fresh at the time).

But for all of that, WG7 was written by a veritable who's who of RPG talent. Rick Swan, Guy McLimore, Jennell Jaquays, Greg Gorden, John Nephew, Scott Bennie, Ray Winninger, and Steve Perrin, among others. And the interior art is by Jim Holloway and Jeff Easley. An impressive roster, to say the least. Many of the levels are clever and look like they'd be fun to run or play. There is quite a wide variety of challenges, themes, monsters, and treasure.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why many people were disappointed by the bait and switch. But that seems to be what most people hate WG7 for, rather than its content.
You can't invalidate my hate, you're just Some Dude on the Internet!


... Is a better joke than any found in that module. Zing!

I jest.
 


If people are looking for some extra context (rather that going off-topic), I remember that Facebook thread. It was deleted, but I had made some comments, and Tenkar from Tenkar's Tavern has a video with Screen shots, so you can see some of the exact exchange


I know there was talk about this for years, mostly in the 2000s when Gary was alive and still publishing Lejendary Adventures. You can find a quote from Gary himself about Castle Wolfmoon here:


My only other comment is that I really think Luke needs to think before he decides to critique somebody on Facebook or social media. I feel like at times he let's his "D&D Influencer" status take control, where he posts first and bring disputes into the public realm, which I've seen happen before.
 

When I bought it, I had never heard about Castle Greyhawk before, but I still disliked it extremely.
It is famously bad. Has WotC D&D ever had as disliked and disappointing a product? I can’t think of one.

Even the Dark Alliance console game of a few years was only very boring and not worth playing again after a half-hour try … which is a much more positive review than WG-7 gets from the zeitgeist.
 

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