HM's Carrion Crown AP - OOC
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GlassEye
Adventurer
I plan on jumping to conclusions a lot. The most horrible, gruesome, cliched conclusions I can think of. I expect I'll be hearing that quite frequently and I'm not bothered by it. I prefer to think it was directed to Gregori despite its conversational placement since he's repeatedly imagined the worst outcome in a couple of situations now. If it was directed to Firvin it's only because she was sucked into his whirlpool of paranoia. Ustalav must be getting to her. 
perrinmiller
Adventurer
Before we went an got the sheriff, we discussed this and appeared to have a consensus. Firvin voiced the resulting opinion of the group's and then was essentially called stupid or foolish by her companion in front of the Sheriff.
This is what has my panties in a bunch. Not the opinions of either character, since Firvin really did not care either way. But this is the second time the face has had a companion stab her in the back or pull the rug out from under her with words in front of an NPC.
This is what has my panties in a bunch. Not the opinions of either character, since Firvin really did not care either way. But this is the second time the face has had a companion stab her in the back or pull the rug out from under her with words in front of an NPC.
Satin Knights
First Post
The "There you go jumping to conclusions again." was to Firvin. You don't go, as the new stranger in town, telling the sheriff, "Unless the priest can perform a ritual to cure him, we are afraid that he will have to be put down for the good of the community." about someone he has lived around and known for quite a while. The sheriff is going to make you enemy #1 for the whole town and you are likely to be hanging from a rope by nightfall.
Firvin needed a verbal slap in the face for her (paraphrasing) "We don't think this guy splattered blood and did the graffiti. But, we are not sure, so you should kill him." That bloodthirsty disregard for life needed to be beat down or all of the party would be beaten down with the next GM's post.
And to that particular NPC, I have already established that I am the "blunt, no BS, straight answer" person, while our lady speaks with a measured, silver tongue that may, or may not, not speak the whole truth, but she is too skilled that one is never sure.
The rest of my statement was to everyone in attendance. The sheriff and us. It could have even included Geb, but I don't think Firvin's statement just before would have been in front of him, so mine would not have been.
A) We can reasonably assume as fact that the blood is of the rat.
B) The perpetrator walked from the barn to the monument. The trail was found.
C) Geb is kind of dumb, and the "assumed enemies of the Professor" are rumored to be a bit more intelligent than him.
D) The GM's "So either the man they spoke to is a great liar (doubtful) or he did something he doesn't remember doing." isn't the only two possibilities. Someone else using the barn while Geb was asleep is a possibility, as I said.
E) Not stated, but another point, Geb is an easy patsy because he was public about attacking us before.
Therefore, we know, whoever made the mess, did their prep work in the barn. We know it is rat's blood, and a humanoid didn't die in the process. We "know" nothing more than that. Firvin's wild statement should have prompted the sheriff to draw his sword on us. If you don't like my attempt to diffuse the situation, don't make such explosive statements to NPCs on behalf of the party. If you had said that Geb might have been controlled without his knowing by magic, then I would not have stepped in.
F) I took Gregori's "Or some moon-tainted beast" statement as just general feral, gruesome nature. Not an intended course of action. (by the way, I like it) He even decided it wasn't the prudent action two posts later.
Firvin wants to be the face of the party. That is fine. Don't make wild statements that push us into fights with the law or good guys, and you can do that job. And last time I got chastised for speaking up, I had actually earned a trust point, instead of possibly losing one.
-Satin Knights
Firvin needed a verbal slap in the face for her (paraphrasing) "We don't think this guy splattered blood and did the graffiti. But, we are not sure, so you should kill him." That bloodthirsty disregard for life needed to be beat down or all of the party would be beaten down with the next GM's post.
And to that particular NPC, I have already established that I am the "blunt, no BS, straight answer" person, while our lady speaks with a measured, silver tongue that may, or may not, not speak the whole truth, but she is too skilled that one is never sure.
The rest of my statement was to everyone in attendance. The sheriff and us. It could have even included Geb, but I don't think Firvin's statement just before would have been in front of him, so mine would not have been.
A) We can reasonably assume as fact that the blood is of the rat.
B) The perpetrator walked from the barn to the monument. The trail was found.
C) Geb is kind of dumb, and the "assumed enemies of the Professor" are rumored to be a bit more intelligent than him.
D) The GM's "So either the man they spoke to is a great liar (doubtful) or he did something he doesn't remember doing." isn't the only two possibilities. Someone else using the barn while Geb was asleep is a possibility, as I said.
E) Not stated, but another point, Geb is an easy patsy because he was public about attacking us before.
Therefore, we know, whoever made the mess, did their prep work in the barn. We know it is rat's blood, and a humanoid didn't die in the process. We "know" nothing more than that. Firvin's wild statement should have prompted the sheriff to draw his sword on us. If you don't like my attempt to diffuse the situation, don't make such explosive statements to NPCs on behalf of the party. If you had said that Geb might have been controlled without his knowing by magic, then I would not have stepped in.
F) I took Gregori's "Or some moon-tainted beast" statement as just general feral, gruesome nature. Not an intended course of action. (by the way, I like it) He even decided it wasn't the prudent action two posts later.
Firvin wants to be the face of the party. That is fine. Don't make wild statements that push us into fights with the law or good guys, and you can do that job. And last time I got chastised for speaking up, I had actually earned a trust point, instead of possibly losing one.
-Satin Knights
perrinmiller
Adventurer
All of those conclusions are valid points and should have been brought up before we got the sheriff.
And you are the one that posted to go get the sheriff, with a one-liner to move things along.
But whatever dude. I don't care any more. Unless we need to roll dice for Diplomacy checks someone else can do the talking, I never intended to be the face and did not make a personality to do that job anyway.
And you are the one that posted to go get the sheriff, with a one-liner to move things along.
But whatever dude. I don't care any more. Unless we need to roll dice for Diplomacy checks someone else can do the talking, I never intended to be the face and did not make a personality to do that job anyway.
perrinmiller
Adventurer
Actually, I am mad as hell right now.
The mere fact that SK decided that my character needed a verbal slap in the face at all is unacceptable to me. There is an OOC thread to tactfully deal deal with issues like this and work as a team.
It should have happened the first time and definitely should have happened this time.
If he thought I made a mistake, the polite thing to do would have been to point it out and I could have edited it before he posted.
I did not need a run down of the arguments for other explanations. I never disagreed with the conclusions Marshan made.
I object to the delivery and discourtesy. And now, I believe I was called stupid in not so many words.
The mere fact that SK decided that my character needed a verbal slap in the face at all is unacceptable to me. There is an OOC thread to tactfully deal deal with issues like this and work as a team.
It should have happened the first time and definitely should have happened this time.
If he thought I made a mistake, the polite thing to do would have been to point it out and I could have edited it before he posted.
I did not need a run down of the arguments for other explanations. I never disagreed with the conclusions Marshan made.
I object to the delivery and discourtesy. And now, I believe I was called stupid in not so many words.
HolyMan
Thy wounds are healed!
The party has only been together for about four days now. Inter-party "drama" should be happening I believe till each character gets to know the other. The OOC is for players and I believe SK was playing his character and thus the comments were placed in the right spot.
SK has posted his character is a straight shooter and I take him also for a no-nonsense type. Marshan probably believed Firvin's comments a little over the top. SK should have posted that here if true. It is always best to know what a new character is like and is thinking of the others (and is why I wish players would post what teh character is thinking from time to time in the IC).
Right now the team isn't a team but a group of random people with their own goals (and a minor common one), who go about things there own way. Soon as the characters learn about each other they will be a true team in battle and when things like this RP come about. This takes time RL - so you know it will take triple that for pbp.
And that is defiantly not how I wish things to work. Each of you is to play true to your character (as you and SK both did in my opinion). The game is still young you all are (as best as I can reckon) a little less than a 1/4 of the way through the first module, and I just got the forth one in the mail. Too much to do to let a little verbal sparring slow you down.
I see what SK did as a way for their to be some inter-party RP later. You need to decide how Firvin took the comments and then RP them out. I'm hoping for a little friction now and then. And as you progress through the AP I'm sure the characters will grow into a strong team.
When you say "I was called stupid" you are referring to you the player correct? It is bad in the posts when things get merged between character and player. And if you are I don't see it. SK was referring to Firvin's actions the whole time in his above post and thus I hope how Marshan viewed them.
Now if you were referring to Firvin being called stupid by the explanation, she doesn't know what is posted in the OOC. As far as she knows Marshan has not lied, embellished a story, or tried to keep a secret since she meant him.
Three things I believe Firvin does by reflex now and doesn't even know she does them anymore.
Until the characters learn more about each other I suspect there will be more inter-party drama for the next little bit. As it should be.
HM
Satin Knights
First Post
Let me try this again. Marshan heard Firvin tell the sheriff the evidence, recounting 1, 2, 3, we are assuming 4 and suggesting a course of action 9. Marshan said wait a minute, we only know 1, 2 and 3. He didn't use "Shut up wench! You got it all wrong!" He used "There you go jumping to conclusions again." which signifies the large leap between 3 and 9 that shouldn't take place, and needed "immediate retraction" in front of the sheriff before the sheriff turns on us. Then PM got upset about this. I am not intending to insult PM. I am not intending to upset Firvin. But, Firvin's comment went way too far and should have started a fight that has no purpose and long term problems for the party, as far as Marshan saw it in the moment. His tone was not mean or condescending at the time, but "her perceived direction" needed to be shut down quickly. When Marshan wants to be insulting, he will be perfectly clear about it.
I, SK, am assuming that once a statement goes into the IC thread, it is live and doesn't get re-edits unless there is a rules issue or swift/immediate action by someone that changes the statement mid sentence. In other words, it was blurted out and we deal with it, even if it was inconvenient. If the group wants something different out of me, tell me. I am the relative newbie in the group.
Firvin wants to be the face and do the talking. That is fine. Marshan respected that with "Marshan enters the house, respectfully nods to the man, then follows the orders of the woman in charge and begins silently searching." But, he is not always going to be silent, and will not hesitate to interject if he thinks it is necessary, or he thinks he has something to add.
I, SK, am assuming that once a statement goes into the IC thread, it is live and doesn't get re-edits unless there is a rules issue or swift/immediate action by someone that changes the statement mid sentence. In other words, it was blurted out and we deal with it, even if it was inconvenient. If the group wants something different out of me, tell me. I am the relative newbie in the group.
Firvin wants to be the face and do the talking. That is fine. Marshan respected that with "Marshan enters the house, respectfully nods to the man, then follows the orders of the woman in charge and begins silently searching." But, he is not always going to be silent, and will not hesitate to interject if he thinks it is necessary, or he thinks he has something to add.
Maidhc O Casain
Na Bith Mo Riocht Tá!
Though I still get a little uncomfortable with it (I'm a 'peacemaker' by nature) I've been in a few games now with a good bit of inter-character friction, and I've grown to like it. At least in limited doses. So long as everyone keeps in mind that the ultimate goal (OK, the goal for me at least) is to form into a strong party over the course of time I think it's great. Makes the overall story stronger, and gives some rich background to refer back to later in the game when we're looking for stuff to say.
I've always been a fan of posting character thoughts IC - it seems like a great way to develop the character in a way that lets other players in on the process while not requiring them to modify their characters' responses.
I do think that posting OOC about actions to alleviate misunderstandings is excellent practice. The most limiting thing about PbP (IMO) is that it eliminates the nuances of inter-player communication that FtF gaming allows.
I've always been a fan of posting character thoughts IC - it seems like a great way to develop the character in a way that lets other players in on the process while not requiring them to modify their characters' responses.
I do think that posting OOC about actions to alleviate misunderstandings is excellent practice. The most limiting thing about PbP (IMO) is that it eliminates the nuances of inter-player communication that FtF gaming allows.
perrinmiller
Adventurer
That is exactly the point.
I am still upset about this and refused to even read threads from this game until I could make the time and be calm about it. And nothing I read today has changed my mind towards the issue.
This all comes down to building team chemistry between players (not just the characters) in the long run. And I don't feel it.
Right now I don't feel like being face at all. I never intended to fill that role either, it just worked out that way. I really never wanted it, and the way it is working out has been very frustrating.
Most of the time, everyone sits back and puts the burden on my shoulders without much assistance. Then out of the blue, I get blind sided by a post that completely takes over or verbally slaps my character in the face.
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