Holy Liberator Immunity question

[Particle_Man]

At 3rd level, Holy Liberators (from Defenders
of the Faith) gain immunity to all charms and
compulsions. However, the beneficial spells
bless and aid are both compulsions. So,

1) Is the HL immune to these beneficial spells too?

2) Can the HL voluntarily lower her immunity to
gain the benefits of aid or bless? (Similar to
voluntarily failing a save or voluntarily lowering
spell resistance)

 

[fba827]

At 3rd level, Holy Liberators (from Defenders
of the Faith) gain immunity to all charms and
compulsions. However, the beneficial spells
bless and aid are both compulsions. So,

1) Is the HL immune to these beneficial spells too?

2) Can the HL voluntarily lower her immunity to
gain the benefits of aid or bless? (Similar to
voluntarily failing a save or voluntarily lowering
spell resistance)

I can not speak with authority here, but my gut reaction is to think of it this way: immunity to certain spells is essentially infinate SR to that spell/spell grouping. And, if you can voluntarily lower your SR then you can also lower this immunity to receive a beneficial spell.


That's just my thoughts on it anyway .... someone who knows better is free to speak up


(PS. I'm sleepy right now, so I apologize for type-os, spelling and grammer errors, and any lack of cohesive thought or structure

 

[hong]

Immunity is unbeatable spell resistance. You can lower SR as a standard action, if you want to receive those nifty buffups. Raising it again is a free action.

 

[Krafen]

Immunity is unbeatable spell resistance. You can lower SR as a standard action, if you want to receive those nifty buffups. Raising it again is a free action.

From the SRD
A creature can voluntarily lower its spell resistance. Doing so is a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity. Once a creature lowers its resistance, it remains down until the creature's next turn. At the beginning of the creature's next turn, the creature's spell resistance automatically returns unless the creature intentionally keeps it down (also a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity).

A creature's spell resistance never interferes with its own spells, items, or abilities.

 

[hong]

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Isn't that basically what I said?

 

[Cyraneth]

If immunity is unbeatable spell resistance (and I'm speaking strictly here), then what good is poison immunity? As of yet, I haven't seen a single poison that is subject to spell resistance. And what about disease immunity, or the paralysis and sleep immunity of dragons? Some paralysis effect aren't subject to spell resistance either.

- Cyraneth

 

[hong]

If immunity is unbeatable spell resistance (and I'm speaking strictly here), then what good is poison immunity?

We're talking about MAGIC immunity here.

Sheesh!

 

[Cyraneth]

We're talking about MAGIC immunity here.

Sheesh!

Now, are we? The Holy Liberator's immunity (which was what started this post) protects him from any kind of charm and compulsion effects, even non-magical ones.

Sheesh!

- Cyraneth

 

[hong]

Now, are we?

Yes, we are.

The Holy Liberator's immunity (which was what started this post) protects him from any kind of charm and compulsion effects, even non-magical ones.

Tell me again about how poison and paralysis are a charm or a compulsion effect.

(Yes, there are some non-spell charms and compulsions; eg fear effects may be Extraordinary but also be compulsions. In which case the HL's immunity doesn't work.)

 

[Cyraneth]

Tell me again about how poison and paralysis are a charm or a compulsion effect.

(Yes, there are some non-spell charms and compulsions; eg fear effects may be Extraordinary but also be compulsions. In which case the HL's immunity doesn't work.)

I was merely mentioning poison and paralysis immunity as an example, as poison and paralysis effects rarely are subject to spell resistance.

Just because an effect is a non-spell effect (e.i. doesn't originate from a spell or isn't normally subject to spell resistance) doesn't mean immunity doesn't protect against it, which poison immunity proves quite clearly.

I think you're confusing "ordinary" immunity and the 4th-level cleric spell spell immunity or the spell immunity of Mystra's Chosen.

- Cyraneth