House Rules Suck
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Gamers are people like everyone else. I've met gamers of all types from the stereotypical lazy and useless socially inept genius, to jocks, to Union shop workers, to tire mechanics, etc.
Gamers are typical people, and young gamers are typical children. There's no call to go supposing that we're not typical. The fact that we enjoy this as a hobby is indicative of nothing except that we enjoy this as a hobby.
Y'know, I hear gamers all the time spout stuff about how we're special and extra intelligent, and normal people don't get our hobby because they're just not capable enough (OK, I'm paraphrasing here). Frankly, I think that's a load of crap.Azlan said:
Gamers are people like everyone else. I've met gamers of all types from the stereotypical lazy and useless socially inept genius, to jocks, to Union shop workers, to tire mechanics, etc.
Gamers are typical people, and young gamers are typical children. There's no call to go supposing that we're not typical. The fact that we enjoy this as a hobby is indicative of nothing except that we enjoy this as a hobby.
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Oh come on, saying it wasn't a very clever troll certainly doesn't speak very highly of you or anyone else on this thread that was trolled. It's okay, it happens, and funny enough, sometimes the trolls actually make a good point and get a constructive discussion going. 'Nuff said.
I'm so glad you're qualified to make statements of fact like that not knowing me from Adam. I mean my childhood in a small city in middle America was so twisted. My parents didn't make me go to a public school, play sports, fish, hunt, watch a fair amount of popular TV, listen to the radio, be in a band, be in drama club, date, hang out at the mall, play D&D or go to church. I chose to do ALL of those things myself. What gave you the impression that me and all my friends were not typical kids? Because YOU find something we did extraordinary? Please, stick to what you know and refrain from making broad generalizations based on only the one tiny little aspect of my life you know about. Thanks.
I have learned in all my years of gaming that all types of people game. From introverted intellectuals, to extroverted homosexuals, to pretty women, to fat sweaty guys, to really handsome businessmen, to jocks, to skaters, to geeks, to punks. You name it, they've played it. Sterotypes are human nature, but don't let them be your absolute guide to life, otherwise you will miss out on some really fabulous people, places and things to see and do. Saying the game grew because it wasn't as good before is a strawman. I personally like OD&D muh better than any of the other, but 3e has come closest to capturing the feel of it to me. I've heard other people say otherwise. It's a matter of taste and perspective. Imagine being on a train with windows all over. Does every passenger on the train see the same things? Do they get exactly the same things out of the trip? Surely not.
It's the same with any RPG system. Every player will have different experiences based on everything from attitude to the amount of sleep they had the night before. Calling OD&D or even AD&D a rat's nest and hodgepodge of rules is simply your opinion and saying that's why they reworked it into 2e and 3e isplain silly. Some rules needed clarifications. Some rules didn't. Some new systems were implemented. Know why they release new editions? Go on, guess. They run a business. They like to make money. They look at customer feedback (including house rules) and decide if that can be a positive and popular change for the game. They release a new edition. We buy it. Welcome to Capitalism! It's good for the customers and the businesses because hopefully each is getting what they want. If not, don;t buy it. Oddly enough, I know a whole lot of people that DID NOT buy 3e because they were happy enough withOD&D, AD&D or 2e. Go figure.
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Oh come on, saying it wasn't a very clever troll certainly doesn't speak very highly of you or anyone else on this thread that was trolled. It's okay, it happens, and funny enough, sometimes the trolls actually make a good point and get a constructive discussion going. 'Nuff said.
Azlan said:
I'm so glad you're qualified to make statements of fact like that not knowing me from Adam. I mean my childhood in a small city in middle America was so twisted. My parents didn't make me go to a public school, play sports, fish, hunt, watch a fair amount of popular TV, listen to the radio, be in a band, be in drama club, date, hang out at the mall, play D&D or go to church. I chose to do ALL of those things myself. What gave you the impression that me and all my friends were not typical kids? Because YOU find something we did extraordinary? Please, stick to what you know and refrain from making broad generalizations based on only the one tiny little aspect of my life you know about. Thanks.
I have learned in all my years of gaming that all types of people game. From introverted intellectuals, to extroverted homosexuals, to pretty women, to fat sweaty guys, to really handsome businessmen, to jocks, to skaters, to geeks, to punks. You name it, they've played it. Sterotypes are human nature, but don't let them be your absolute guide to life, otherwise you will miss out on some really fabulous people, places and things to see and do. Saying the game grew because it wasn't as good before is a strawman. I personally like OD&D muh better than any of the other, but 3e has come closest to capturing the feel of it to me. I've heard other people say otherwise. It's a matter of taste and perspective. Imagine being on a train with windows all over. Does every passenger on the train see the same things? Do they get exactly the same things out of the trip? Surely not.
It's the same with any RPG system. Every player will have different experiences based on everything from attitude to the amount of sleep they had the night before. Calling OD&D or even AD&D a rat's nest and hodgepodge of rules is simply your opinion and saying that's why they reworked it into 2e and 3e isplain silly. Some rules needed clarifications. Some rules didn't. Some new systems were implemented. Know why they release new editions? Go on, guess. They run a business. They like to make money. They look at customer feedback (including house rules) and decide if that can be a positive and popular change for the game. They release a new edition. We buy it. Welcome to Capitalism! It's good for the customers and the businesses because hopefully each is getting what they want. If not, don;t buy it. Oddly enough, I know a whole lot of people that DID NOT buy 3e because they were happy enough withOD&D, AD&D or 2e. Go figure.
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Oh, get off your high horse. The fact of the matter is, people who play RPGs are not typical, because the vast majority of the human population is not interested in and/or does not have the wherewithall for roleplaying games -- that is what I was referring to.
You read more into what I said than what I meant.
The original D&D was a hodgepodge of rules. Clearly, you don't know your role-playing gaming history. I suggest you read L. Schick's "Heroic Worlds: A History of Role-Playing Games" or S. Fannon's "The Fantasy Role-Playing Gamer's Bible".
Yes, and do you know why that new edition sold like hotcakes? It's because that new edition was a vast improvement over the hodgepodge, patchwork, rat's-nest that came before it.
Harlock said:
Oh, get off your high horse. The fact of the matter is, people who play RPGs are not typical, because the vast majority of the human population is not interested in and/or does not have the wherewithall for roleplaying games -- that is what I was referring to.
You read more into what I said than what I meant.
The original D&D was a hodgepodge of rules. Clearly, you don't know your role-playing gaming history. I suggest you read L. Schick's "Heroic Worlds: A History of Role-Playing Games" or S. Fannon's "The Fantasy Role-Playing Gamer's Bible".
Yes, and do you know why that new edition sold like hotcakes? It's because that new edition was a vast improvement over the hodgepodge, patchwork, rat's-nest that came before it.
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I read too much into what you said? Well, let's look at it together, shall we?
What exactly did I read into that that you did not mean, I'd love to know. You said "For one thing..." meaning you know so much about me that this is only one thing you know. Wow, call John Edwards folks! Let him know he has competition! Oh, okay, granted you probably meant that's only one point of the issue, but you're too funny to pass up on something like this. Next!
"You and your friends..." meaning me and those kids I was referring to in my post. Glad to know that you can judge all of them too, based on one message I wrote on a message board, you're more amazing than Kreskin! Next!
"(and myself for that matter)" well, hopefully you are qualified for self analysis and I'll leave it at that. Next!
"were not typical children" How do you know I was not? Because you have some preconceived notion I suppose. Which makes it okay, because you do not have to expand your range and think outside of the box. Oooh. Nevermind, I just solved this whole problem for us. Thanks for playing! Now to the rest of your post...
My high horse? I hope irony is not lost on you... Anyway, do you have the demographics to back that up? See, I think people roleplay a lot. It's a typical childhood hobby of so many kids, and guess what, even as adults we still fantasize. Daydreaming, buying a ticket for the lotto and telling your friends what you'll do with the money, practicing for an interview or first date... I think you'll find a vast majority of the planet participates in this sort of behavior. Gamers differ only in that we do it semi-regularly and have a rule book. If I am mistaken about what you were implying with your post, I apologize, but seeming as how you were talking about how even a child could understand D&D and in fact did, then you came back with that remark... what was I left to assume? That you meant not everyone plays D&D? That was all that was atypical about a kid playing D&D and his grasping of it? Gimme a break. Don't back peddle. It's pretty easy to see where you're coming from, so I'll leave you and your sterotypes and Holier than Thou attitude be. Again, thanks for playing and always remember, you were trolled.
What exactly did I read into that that you did not mean, I'd love to know. You said "For one thing..." meaning you know so much about me that this is only one thing you know. Wow, call John Edwards folks! Let him know he has competition! Oh, okay, granted you probably meant that's only one point of the issue, but you're too funny to pass up on something like this. Next!
"You and your friends..." meaning me and those kids I was referring to in my post. Glad to know that you can judge all of them too, based on one message I wrote on a message board, you're more amazing than Kreskin! Next!
"(and myself for that matter)" well, hopefully you are qualified for self analysis and I'll leave it at that. Next!
"were not typical children" How do you know I was not? Because you have some preconceived notion I suppose. Which makes it okay, because you do not have to expand your range and think outside of the box. Oooh. Nevermind, I just solved this whole problem for us. Thanks for playing! Now to the rest of your post...
My high horse? I hope irony is not lost on you... Anyway, do you have the demographics to back that up? See, I think people roleplay a lot. It's a typical childhood hobby of so many kids, and guess what, even as adults we still fantasize. Daydreaming, buying a ticket for the lotto and telling your friends what you'll do with the money, practicing for an interview or first date... I think you'll find a vast majority of the planet participates in this sort of behavior. Gamers differ only in that we do it semi-regularly and have a rule book. If I am mistaken about what you were implying with your post, I apologize, but seeming as how you were talking about how even a child could understand D&D and in fact did, then you came back with that remark... what was I left to assume? That you meant not everyone plays D&D? That was all that was atypical about a kid playing D&D and his grasping of it? Gimme a break. Don't back peddle. It's pretty easy to see where you're coming from, so I'll leave you and your sterotypes and Holier than Thou attitude be. Again, thanks for playing and always remember, you were trolled.
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Harlock said:
Well, of course, the roleplaying that requires a rulebook -- specifically, D&D, which has three of them; with the Player's Handbook alone encompassing almost 300 pages -- is what we're talking about, here. So, why throw in all those other "roleplaying" examples, and cloud the issue?
I'll say it again: Roleplaying gamers are not typical.
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Azlan said:
You're so fun. Look at your statements I have quoted, THEN read mine, it works best that way.
That was what my post was saying. You're being extremely vain and arrogant when you say "the vast majority of the human population do not have the interest or the wherewithall for roleplaying games". That is what MY post was referring to. That the vast majority of the human population does in fact have the wherewithall for roleplaying games. Geeze, this backpeddling is too funny, but really, I think George Bernard Shaw summed up my feelings at this point precisely when he said:
Good day, and best of luck.
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Back in the '80s, TSR -- the burgeon giant in the RPG industry, though still relatively a pipsqueak compared to the true giants of the entertainment industries -- tried mass-selling roleplaying gaming materials through major retail outlets such as Sears, K-Mart, B. Dalton, etc. It didn't work. What they found out is, no matter what the genre or no matter how much they simplified the game mechanics, the general public simply wasn't interested in roleplaying games.
No one's backpeddling here.
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