How does it work when a Wizard replaces a power?

[kerbarian]

Unlike other classes, a wizard knows multiple daily and utility powers at each level due to his spellbook. When a wizard replaces a daily or utility power, does he replace both spells in his spellbook? When he replaces a daily power at level 15, could he drop one level-1 daily and one level-5 daily for two new level-15 dailies?

I can't find any wording that makes this clear -- it all talks about replacing a single power with a single new power, despite the fact that the wizard gains multiple powers at a time.

 

[baberg]

As I understand it, this is what happens.

Wizard gains a level where he gets another Daily/Utility power
Wizard scribes two spells of the appropriate level into his spellbook
Wizard, after extended rest, picks X Daily/Utility spells, where X is total allowed at that level

If the Wizard has an ability that lets him replace a Daily/Utility, the Wizard instead picks X-1 after each extended rest, with the other one that is replacing.

If that's not what you're asking, sorry

 

[kerbarian]

As I understand it, this is what happens.
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I was talking about replacing powers as a standard part of leveling -- not any wizard-specific ability.

Looking at the wording again, I now have a guess as to how it should work, but it's still not completely clear.

"At 15th ... [level], you can replace any daily attack power you know from your class with a new daily attack power of your new level ..."

"Each time you gain a level that lets you select a daily or utility spell, choose two different daily spells or utility spells of that level to add to your book."

"If you replace a spell because of gaining a level or through retraining, the previous spell vanishes from your spellbook and is replaced by the new spell."

My best guess is: 15th level is a level that lets you select a new daily spell, so at that point a wizard chooses two different 15th-level daily spells and adds them to his spellbook. Because these spells are replacements, each one requires that an existing daily spell vanishes from his spellbook.

By that interpretation, you could do what I mentioned originally -- drop a level-1 daily and a level-5 daily for two new level-15 dailies.

 

[Zsig]

My guess is that you do it on a one-to-one basis

I'll try to explain:

• When you reach level 9 you add two spells to your book: Ice Storm (9th lvl) and Wall of Fire (9th lvl) (for example)
• Then when you reach level 15 you can replace one of them: swap Wall of Fire (9th lvl) for Wall of Ice (15th lvl) (and you still keep Ice Storm untouched)

This is the way I see it, I'm not sure if this is right though.

 

[Tervin]

My best guess is: 15th level is a level that lets you select a new daily spell, so at that point a wizard chooses two different 15th-level daily spells and adds them to his spellbook. Because these spells are replacements, each one requires that an existing daily spell vanishes from his spellbook.

By that interpretation, you could do what I mentioned originally -- drop a level-1 daily and a level-5 daily for two new level-15 dailies.

That seems ok to me, with the understanding that you can only have either the 1st level spell or the 5th level spell prepared at any time.

I think the wizard spellbook is something that will cause a lot of misunderstandings and differing interpretations - just because it does not intuitively work inside the system, and it is not at all like the old spellbook.

 

[kerbarian]

That seems ok to me, with the understanding that you can only have either the 1st level spell or the 5th level spell prepared at any time.

Actually, I don't see anything that requires you to choose one daily from each level that you know, or anything like that.

For example, a Wizard with Expanded Spellbook hits 9th level and chooses three new daily attack spells. I don't see any reason he couldn't prepare one of each as his three dailies, completely ignoring all the lower-level dailies in his spellbook.

That makes the Wizard's spellbook a big advantage not only in flexibility but also in power level, since it means a Wizard can use all high-level daily and utility powers while other classes are still stuck with level-1 dailies and such taking up slots for a long time.

 

[kerbarian]

My guess is that you do it on a one-to-one basis

I'll try to explain:

• When you reach level 9 you add two spells to your book: Ice Storm (9th lvl) and Wall of Fire (9th lvl) (for example)
• Then when you reach level 15 you can replace one of them: swap Wall of Fire (9th lvl) for Wall of Ice (15th lvl) (and you still keep Ice Storm untouched)

I thought about that, too, but I don't think that's what's intended. It would effectively mean that wizards learn two daily powers of each level up to level 9 and then only one daily power of each level after that.

The Expanded Spellbook feat also mentions adding two spells to your spellbook (three with the feat) whenever you "gain a new level of daily wizard attack spells", which I believe would include gaining new dailies via replacement.