D&D General How has D&D changed over the decades?

[Micah Sweet]

Fair enough.

Can you find an example of D&D 5e art where this is true? The argument that's being made is that 5e art is full of giant weapons. I'm actually struggling to find an example.

Yeah I have to agree. There's plenty i like and plenty i don't like about 5e's art, but giant weapons don't make the list. 4e, on the other hand...

 

[Fifth Element]

No thanks. I'm going to run challenging games.

Honest question - have you ever tried running games that are challenging in ways other than they type you're describing here?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Hang on though. The claim is that the art is all happy, happy, fun, fun. No darkness. Superheroes doing super heroic things with giant weapons.

And not a single example to be found.

My issue was how they responded, not whether or not I agreed with it.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I don't disagree with your conclusion, but that player "vilifiication" is as much that players are done dealing with GMs who think they know what's good for the players and they'll take what the GM offers and like it. At best an awful lot of people seem all too in favor of "take it or leave it" and some seem to suggest outright bait and switch.

The fact players are unwilling to deal with some of the nonsense they had to put up with for decades if they wanted to play does not seem a flaw in modern players.

Nonsense is relative. If there's an expectation mismatch, at the end of the day it doesn't matter who's "right", even if that could be determined. No one is going to have a good time.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Their sincerity is irrelevant; the associations with that word are still overblown at best. If you choose to use a word with a bunch of semantic loading, you don't get to be soggy when people take it as given and roll their eyes at you.

You do if they refuse to explain why they disagree. That's not a discussion, that's name-calling. No matter what side it's coming from.

 

[Micah Sweet]

0e and 1e was very2 sided in that regard. At level 1,it was very grim or very bleak (but rarely both). This mkes low level PCs very not heroeic unless they risk being one of the many dead who tried before them. However if they luck into enough successes, they hit a point where the mechanics work against the obstacles as the PCs have enugh levels, gold, and magic items to tilt the scales hard without risking themselves that much.

Very much as intended, to my understanding (and delight).

 

[Micah Sweet]

To be fair, if someone has merely made an assertion, it's not up to someone else to show that it's false. It's up to the person making the assertion to show that it's true.

So we assume the assertion is false? You can just say no and you're in the right?

 

[JiffyPopTart]

For me the split is infinite over-night healing. I don't know 3X well enough to say if it has superhero healing or not, but if it does, then I'd lump it together with 4E and 5E under that superhero fantasy label. Earlier editions of D&D very quickly developed into their own thing that wasn't really reflected in the fantasy fiction.

In many ways 3e has quicker instant healing than 4 or 5 does. Once a party member can craft a wand of Cure Light Wounds the party has access to 50d8+50 healing they can distribute in 5 minutes tops.

The GP and XP cost for that item was inconsequential compared to the power it offered, and I never had a party that didn't have several stashed around in addition to the vending machine full of potions and scrolls they had collected during their adventures.

 

[Micah Sweet]

In many ways 3e has quicker instant healing than 4 or 5 does. Once a party member can craft a wand of Cure Light Wounds the party has access to 50d8+50 healing they can distribute in 5 minutes tops.

The GP and XP cost for that item was inconsequential compared to the power it offered, and I never had a party that didn't have several stashed around in addition to the vending machine full of potions and scrolls they had collected during their adventures.

Even so, 3e at least had status effects that didn't go away the next morning.

 

[Vaalingrade]

If you're going to deny someone 's assertion, there's only so far you can get with a one word response.

They asked 'Am I Wrong?', not 'please write up a dissertation to explain why I'm wrong to satisfy some other random poster who will ride your butt for it for no reason'.