How is the warlock not overpowered?

[Drowbane]

The warlock also shares an advantage with the Soulknife: he never needs to spend money on a weapon. Heck, push the envelope and have a warforged warlock (warlockforged studded with Khyber shards?) and you'll have armor and weapon accounted for from the get-go.

Mythril Body + Battlecaster?

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

I was about to suggest the Fey Heritage route.

Point-Blank Shot + Precise Shot aren't really useful when you have:
- Medium BAB
- An attack that targets the Touch AC.

Precise Shot is nifty when playing Mr. Fire Support.

Heck, push the envelope and have a warforged warlock (warlockforged studded with Khyber shards?) and you'll have armor and weapon accounted for from the get-go.

And we'll call that a Centurion build. Because it is, esp. when you have the Battlefist installed. (Awesome idea, BTW)

Brad

 

[Hammerhead]

I don't like to waste 2 feats for Precise Shot (let's face it, PBS is pretty worthless) when you can easily get the same with a relatively low cost Rod of Magical Precision from the Complete Mage.

 

[Raspen]

well i been playing a warloc since they frist came out and i love my guy ( who is still a girl do to some unforseen problems) anyway my warloc is a melee warloc im not going to explain how i have him set up because i have done that on other post but i do 4 attacks a round doing 11d6 and -2 lvl (failed save) per hit that is 264+lvl's damage my guy is lvl 20 and has a 31 AC and attackers always have 50% miss chance on him. All his attacks are flat-footed touch and my saves are CRAZY high and no it didnt cost me that much for gear less then the norm 20th start of cash for a NPC....

am i overpowered?....... only when i can get in close

all that aside i think that to say that warlocs are one sided is a way of being lazy and picking one track invocations

how meny uses is thier for a wall of fire or disimboded hand or even word of changeing. what do you use them for i bet i know ever think of other options with them? almost all the invocations not counting the blast can be used out of combat.

the MASS amount of spells out thier for other classes makes people lazy when trying to use the spells in diffrent ways and thats a shame in my mind.

sorry about this statment im not attacking anyone im just explaining that a warloc can be alot more then one sided.

 

[IanB]

Maxing out UMD + Scribe Scroll + that class feature that lets them make items without the spell prerequisite = a warlock that can cast just about any spell it needs to from any list, given enough notice.

That can go a long way towards cleaning up versatility issues, although it doesn't work until mid-high levels. If you are in a game where you can easily buy scrolls of whatever you need, it kicks in a lot earlier.

 

[satori01]

On a related note, has anyone given the eldritch theurge or eldritch disciple a shot? Those might address some of the concerns I expressed.

I have used the Eldritch Theurge as Villian, very, very effective. In the hands of a powergamer it might be to extreme, being able to blast someone with Eldritch Blast and layer say a Horrid Wilting on top of it is nasty.

Powerwise Warlock does not compare to the other classes. Eldritch Blast does not compare to the Divine Might, 2 handed PA, Smite Evil, Bless Weapon Paladin, or the twinked out Machine gun archer....or the Elemental Monolith summoning Druid.

Sure the Warlock can theoretically Baleful Polymorph all day long, but Warlock Invocations, and many Warlock Builds do not emphasize the DCs for their powers. Likewise the # of Invocations known are small, deciding wether to augment your Eldritch Blast or taking something great like Flee the Scene is a hard choice.

Spamming is not a huge issue assuming you have a responsive player.
A Sorcerer with Evard's Tentacles can spam under default conditions most people play with almost as much as a Warlock.
The Warlock in my group uses Chilling Tentacles very rarely, because he recognizes that it is not fun for the melee types.

Flee the Scene frankly he uses all the time, and I love it as the DM. Impossible escape the Death Star before it blows ups scenarios become possible with it.

BTW...you do not need PBS or Precise Shot...Touch Attack...suck up the minus 4.

 

[pallandrome]

In exchange for that "fey archer" route, he gets 6 very good spell-like abilities, +3 on Will saves vs. enchantments and DR 4/cold iron that stacks with his own class-based DR.

I'd still suggest Fey Power as well. an extra point of DR, and +1 to the save DC on his invocations, who you'll obviously be wanting to get as high as possible.

 

[Raspen]

the fay feats rail road you into makeing a cookie cutter warloc injoy them for me ill take my extra invo's and quicken / max abilitys any day O and the grand Force of Personaly and Arcane Mastery 8)

 

[Sejs]

Could you explain how? Thanks.

To be fair to the above statement, so could a 9th level human fighter, or a 9th level human commoner.

 

[brehobit]

To be fair to the above statement, so could a 9th level human fighter, or a 9th level human commoner.

True,
But the warlock gets to stack DR with his class DR (handy) and gets the +1 DC on all of his invocations. The 7th level warlock in my game has DR 6/cold iron.

Mark