D&D 4E How tall/heavy does a 4E creature have to be to be LARGE?
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Mort_Q
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There are no real guidelines... so it's really up to the DM. The MM says they're 2 X 2.
Ogres are Large.
WalterKovacs
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Most of the monsters don't have height/weight specified.
The biggest PC races that are still medium have the height at about 7'8" and the weight maxes out around 350 I believe. Godlike stature increase height by 25 percent and weight increases by 100 percent without actually changing your size. So, based on the biggest you could possibly be ...
Large would be somewhere around 10 feet tall or higher (since even a max height goliath with godlike stature wouldn't be considered "large" although they'd have many of the properties). 10 feet long would also work. And 800 lbs is probably the weight point.
The biggest PC races that are still medium have the height at about 7'8" and the weight maxes out around 350 I believe. Godlike stature increase height by 25 percent and weight increases by 100 percent without actually changing your size. So, based on the biggest you could possibly be ...
Large would be somewhere around 10 feet tall or higher (since even a max height goliath with godlike stature wouldn't be considered "large" although they'd have many of the properties). 10 feet long would also work. And 800 lbs is probably the weight point.
AbdulAlhazred
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The answer is that there is no real answer. No one specific physical measurement defines a creature as being a specific size. Its size is the size that best fits the use of the creature in the game. The Goliath with the feat is medium because it makes the game work well for it to be medium. A bugbear is medium for the same reason. An ogre is large because it makes the ogre work well in the game. Maybe the ogre IS physically bigger than the bugbear and maybe the game requirement it meets is to provide the players with the sensation of fighting something BIG.
I can easily see two identically sized creatures being of different sizes. They could even both be described as the same type of creature, but just used in a different context. One would be advised to avoid the appearance of inconsistency that would result from having them interact directly, but fluff is good for that. So a PC ogre might be medium and yet be taller/heavier than some large sized monsters for example. If he meets monster ogres then he's a 'runt'.
I can easily see two identically sized creatures being of different sizes. They could even both be described as the same type of creature, but just used in a different context. One would be advised to avoid the appearance of inconsistency that would result from having them interact directly, but fluff is good for that. So a PC ogre might be medium and yet be taller/heavier than some large sized monsters for example. If he meets monster ogres then he's a 'runt'.
Also, it is easily imaginable that some creatures might trigger one of the two limits (height or weight) but not the other. For example, a bonecrusher skeleton (a ogre/savage minotaur skeleton) might easily be Large, in reference to reach, size occupied, and height) but weigh a lot less than another Medium creature (say a Gargoyle or other stone creature).
In general, however, I think that the best signifier of Large size is "size of occupied squares". A minotaur or goliath, while large relative to many other races, doesn't really "occupy" four squares. A tentacled beastie, even though it might mass just as much as the Goliath, might sprawl out over 4 squares quite easily (and still be shorter than the Goliath, too).
Like many things in D&D, Large has a specific game meaning that doesn't perfectly map onto it's real world usage. Plus, that game meaning has a specific boundary that will seem arbitrary when the real world has graduations of meaning. A creature either fits into one square, or four (or two, perhaps). There are no creatures which occupy 30 square feet, or 50 square feet, or 75 square feet. There's 25 square feet (Medium) and 100 square feet (Large). Sometimes, things "really" would be a lot more of an "edge case".
In general, however, I think that the best signifier of Large size is "size of occupied squares". A minotaur or goliath, while large relative to many other races, doesn't really "occupy" four squares. A tentacled beastie, even though it might mass just as much as the Goliath, might sprawl out over 4 squares quite easily (and still be shorter than the Goliath, too).
Like many things in D&D, Large has a specific game meaning that doesn't perfectly map onto it's real world usage. Plus, that game meaning has a specific boundary that will seem arbitrary when the real world has graduations of meaning. A creature either fits into one square, or four (or two, perhaps). There are no creatures which occupy 30 square feet, or 50 square feet, or 75 square feet. There's 25 square feet (Medium) and 100 square feet (Large). Sometimes, things "really" would be a lot more of an "edge case".
frankthedm
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No rules exist for "Get X big, become Large". Either WOTC / DM makes the critter in question large or they don't.
Though those were much more fit and trim than 4e ogres are depicted, who kinda have my own body shape. From being little over 6" & having 200lb of fat on myself, i'd say a 4e ogre might have 300 lb of fat on them. So 900-1000 pounds sounds reasonable to me for my fellow lardballs from the 4e mm ogre illo.3.5 D&D said:
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Jack Colby
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It's up to the DM.
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