How useful is DMG2?

Riley · Feb 22, 2010

Yes, but it also contains some great subsystems (low-magic, and especially companion characters) that are incredibly useful in game prep.

Cyronax · Feb 22, 2010

bagger245 said:
So basically it's a really good advice book?

I didn't buy the DMG2 at first. I read sections of it in the bookstore, but didn't purchase it.

I broke down and got it after seeing numerous traps, skill challenges, companion rules, minion rules, artifacts (Rod of Seven Parts), and some advice for quick encounter setup and such things. The Sigil section is also a nice addition, but honestly I could gather that information from the internet, even with just wikipedia.

All that I listed are IMO usable right at the table.

By way of comparison, I never used DMG1 much after the first few sessions of gaming, when I'd often refer to p.42 and encounter building chapters. After that, I only opened it for Traps and the special rules regarding mounted combat and the like.

Last weekend when I was DMing away from my apartment (unusual for me), I only brought three books in my carrybag -- the MM2, a certain module that I was pulling some ideas directly out of, and the DMG2.

Oh I also had my 4e DM Screen -- the most important thing of all.

C.I.D.

Mouseferatu · Feb 22, 2010

Skyscraper said:
No, but it's one heck of a good book to own and read.

This. I've been gaming since I was 9, I've been writing for D20 since 2001 and for D&D specifically since 2004, and I still found the DMing and campaign-building advice more than worth the cost of the book.

Ktulu · Feb 22, 2010

Same as the above guys; I've been running games for years, and I keep a copy by my bed to just read and ponder over ideas. It gets more dedicated time than any other D&D book I own. I've used many ideas from it and keep going back to mine for more.

MadLordOfMilk · Feb 23, 2010

I absolutely love the book. A lot of it can also be used in other games, too! It's just a lot of solid advice.

Of course, not every single product can appeal to every single person. Worst case, head over to a book store and flip through the book to see if you like what's inside before buying it. Though I predict the majority of people would love this book, I can see others not wanting/liking it.

Trevalon Moonleirion · Feb 23, 2010

I love the DMG2. By far the best 4e book put out so far.

I'm gonna go so far as to say that even if you HATE 4e, you should go to a local book store and read the first chapter of DMing tips and tricks. Great stuff. (As apparently MadLord just suggested while i was typing my praise. Clearly, great minds think alike

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The DMing advice, combined with crunch (I'm using one of the monster theme templates as a major component of my current campaign's villains.

StormCrow42 · Feb 23, 2010

A non-inclusive list of stuff in the DMG2 to love, in no particular order.

New crunch in the DMG2

Rules for "companion" characters to accompany your PCs
Rules for temporarily adjusting existing PCs to match the level of your existing party.
Updated rules for creating solo monsters
Rules for creating minions
Monster themes (how to tie groups of monsters together)
Updated guidelines and examples for skill challenges (incorperating a year+ of Dragon articles on them)
Terrain powers (stuff on the battlefield characters can interact with)
More traps and terrain
Trap building
Alternate rewards to magic items

New fluff

Advice on story building (by Robin Laws)
Advice on involving your players in worldbuilding (by Robin Laws)
Vignettes (by Robin Laws, are we seeing a pattern here)
Encounter building (and tailoring to player types)
Sigil
Organizations and factions

pemerton · Feb 23, 2010

bagger245 said:
So basically it's a really good advice book?

Rules as well, as others have posted. The skill challenge section is a huge improvement on the DMG, though still not enough IMO.

The traps and encounter powers are good too.

By the way, for those who want more good stuff from Robin Laws I strongly recommend HeroQuest 2nd ed. Although 4e and HeroQuest are mechanically different in many respects, the book still has a lot of stuff that I think a 4e GM would find useful.

Dungeon Masta · Feb 23, 2010

Not much I can say that hasn't been said before...
I can only agree that from a crunch standpoint it's got some interesting terrain features and templates for creating some monsters. Also the errata on skill challenges makes them much more viable in my opinion, if you aren't using it already.
Vignettes are interesting components of play that really get your players to start stretching their roleplaying muscles, especially if they're in a rut with their characters.
I also really like the tips on story arcs and the like, although I had already been instinctually doing that. I don't like the concept of story branches, sounds like way too much prep, and you can never predict exactly what the PCs will do.
All in all, I highly recommend it.