I just bought Frostburn

[Angel Tarragon]

Well dang, I answered yes to 4 out of 5. Plus I am working up a core class Elementalist Wizard type. So I guess I really could get some use out of it.

To answer your question about cold regions, each weather band is one step warmer and tropical becomes super-tropical, nearly uninhabitatble to regular humanoid races (one reason why I am looking forward very much to Sandstorm).

 

[talien]

How about a little more info on both, I have yet to flip through Frostburn and my store does not carry Frost and Fur. No I am curious

The Seraph of Earth and Stone

All the reviews of Frost and Fur that I know of to date:

• d20 Magazine Rack
• ENWorld
• ENWorld
• Silven Crossroads
• RPG.net

By far one of the biggest (and frustrating) criticisms of the book is that it's not color. This is a case of a d20 "little guy" simply not having enough money to create a glossy, full color product like Wizards or Mongoose would create. As it was, the book was the very best effort from MonkeyGod. I still haven't seen the Frostburn book, but the artwork alone is fantastic.

In short, I'm happy that Frost and Fur even gets mentioned in the same breath as Frostburn. I'm sure the comparisons are helping generate publicity for F&F (Frostburn, being a WOTC product, doesn't need any).

 

[Nightchilde-2]

Well dang, I answered yes to 4 out of 5. Plus I am working up a core class Elementalist Wizard type. So I guess I really could get some use out of it.

To answer your question about cold regions, each weather band is one step warmer and tropical becomes super-tropical, nearly uninhabitatble to regular humanoid races (one reason why I am looking forward very much to Sandstorm).

I didn't really think I'd get much use out of it either. I'm running Eberron and the campaign is based around Sharn, which is basically a jungle area. But I found quite a bit of stuff (almost all of the spells, many of the feats) that I can incorporate easily. I was surprised. Pleasantly for once (unlike with the Planar Handbook...).

Of course, I'm thinking now that their next adventure needs to take them to Frostfell just so I can throw in some of the Frostburn nastiness...

I'll probably be a WotC tool and get all of the environmental series....

 

[Angel Tarragon]

I hear you...I've bee a TSR and WotC (hasbro) tool for years, but since I lost my job last Summer, I need to be extremely picky about the books I decide to get. I only get $60 a month for helping out around the house.

 

[d12]

To steer the conversation a bit:

I'm planning a campaign in the north of Faerun and I really want to use some of the stuff from the book. Delzomen's forge looks very cool, though I might use it when Delzomen is actually alive. I also might work in Icerazer. Basically, the campaign will start in or near Luskan and (once the PCs pass 5th level or so) take them on a trip across the top of the Spine of the World and through some of the most trechrous terrain in Faerun. They will probably end up on the Sea of Moving Ice or In Vassa. So, any ideas on stuff to throw at them?

to translate this for non-FR people: I want my PCs to start off in a cold northern city full of thugs and pirates and then march across very high, very cold mountains full or orcs, barbarians and worse. Lots of opportunity to use this book: tell me how you might do it so I can steal your ideas.

 

[Ranes]

For the high mountains, I would combine Frostburnisms with Races of Stone's goliaths (gol-kaa, to me). The gol-kaa encountered may be the remaining members of a race close to extinction. An aging chief may present the tribe with an accession issue and the party could be caught up in the politics. The gol-kaa may be able to seriously help or hinder the party's passage through the mountains.

Sorry, I just like gol-kaa.

 

[d12]

The last of a dying race in the mountains - I like it.

I also plan to have them encounter snow goblins on a large frozen underground lake. The goblins will of course be on ice skates and will be using some of the weapons from the equipment chapter that skim across frozen surfaces.

I might rip off the Empire Strikes Back and have the characters get involved in a combat between barabrians and the minions of an evil Frostmage that include Wooly Mammoth Ice Beasts and Snow Goblins with Simulacra White Dragons offering airial support (Battle on Hoth anyone?)

 

[JoeGKushner]

If you're looking for good stuff on a giant dying race, the shot stories of Kane, I think, Midnight Sun, has a great one, where Kane meets a Giant Prince whose looking for a lost crown of his peopel to reinvograte them. Good stuff.

 

[heirodule]

Balance-wise, I'd ban Ice Assassin straight away.

Two examples of abusing this spell from WotC-boards:

I'd argue that spell-created duplicates have no XP to spend. That either is an implication of the rules, or should be a rule

 

[Mercule]

I'll probably be a WotC tool and get all of the environmental series....

Yeah. I'm starting to think the same thing. I wasn't planning on even browsing Frostburn or Races of Stone. But, Barnes and Noble is two blocks from where I work and I needed time out over lunch one day.

WotC are a bunch of bastards. Just when I've decided that I've got all the crunch I need, they come out with a completely different approach that is actually useful to me. Grrr... and I was looking forward to having an extra $40 disposable the next few months.