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I need a new laptop for school...

I am looking for something that'll also let me game some of the newest games (most likely Jedi Academy and some other upcoming games, maybe), but that is not a priority.

John Crichton said:
Brick is the man. Everyone needs an Anchorman avatar. :)

And now I do.

I used to sell Sonys and while they were good for the price I would consider getting an extended warranty. Sony makes awesome video products but their computer division could use a little work.

What about one that'll let me either capture DV or S-video?
 

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mojo1701 said:
I am looking for something that'll also let me game some of the newest games (most likely Jedi Academy and some other upcoming games, maybe), but that is not a priority.
mojo1701 said:
What about one that'll let me either capture DV or S-video?
You are probably looking more along the lines of a desktop replacement if you want to play games and do video capturing. Dell has a few good deals right now (with some online coupons) but a Sony probably wouldn't be too bad for either. Just make sure the mobile video card has at least 128 megs of RAM.

Are you going to be moving it around alot? If yes, look for the Pentium M processor not a P4. But if you aren't going to move around too much the P4 will end up being a bit cheaper but your laptop will have bad battery life, be heavy and get sorta hot if you use it a ton.


mojo1701 said:
And now I do.
Great Cesear's Ghost! :)
 

John Crichton said:
You are probably looking more along the lines of a desktop replacement if you want to play games and do video capturing. Dell has a few good deals right now (with some online coupons) but a Sony probably wouldn't be too bad for either. Just make sure the mobile video card has at least 128 megs of RAM.

Ok, so I might want to forego the capturing video aspect due to cash, and since I'd rather do it on a desktop for cheaper, so let's forget about that. How much would I still need for games like the aforementioned Jedi Academy or BF: Vietnam? Would 64 Mb be enough?

Are you going to be moving it around alot? If yes, look for the Pentium M processor not a P4. But if you aren't going to move around too much the P4 will end up being a bit cheaper but your laptop will have bad battery life, be heavy and get sorta hot if you use it a ton.

What about Centrinos? I'm just curious, since I'd rather stick with something else.

And about the AMD Athelons for laptops? Are they better or worse in terms of value and performance than the Intels?

Great Cesear's Ghost! :)

Great Odin's Raven!
 

mojo1701 said:
What about Centrinos? I'm just curious, since I'd rather stick with something else.

And about the AMD Athelons for laptops? Are they better or worse in terms of value and performance than the Intels?

Centrinos are in the same category as a Pentium M - you sacrifice a little bit of power for more battery life. Centrinos do more with fewer clock cycles and draw less power. AMD processors give, in general, a better performance for the price than Intel chips do. But what really matters is what you're using this thing for. If you're more concerned about having a long battery life I'd probably go with something that had a Centrino in it. If you're not that concerned about battery life and are looking for more power, I'd probably go for something with an Athlon 64 chip in it.

IMO, the best buys are one step below top of the line - that sweet spot where you're getting new technology that'll last a while, but aren't paying the huge premium for having the newest thing out there.
 

mojo1701 said:
What about Centrinos? I'm just curious, since I'd rather stick with something else.
"Centrino" isn't a CPU. It's a brand, which refers to the combination of a Pentium M CPU, Intel's 855 chipset, and one of two Intel Wi-Fi cards.

mojo1701 said:
And about the AMD Athlons for laptops? Are they better or worse in terms of value and performance than the Intels?
The mobile Athlon XPs and Athlon 64s are better for battery life than Pentium 4s (or normal Celerons), but worse than Pentium Ms and Celeron Ms. It's had to find AMD CPUs in major-brand notebooks. For comparing performance and price/performance, you'd have to know percisely which chips you're comparing (CPU name and model numbers and/or clock speeds).
 


drothgery said:
"Centrino" isn't a CPU. It's a brand

Like "Pentium" or "Athelon"? Anyway, I think I might've meant "Celeron."

The mobile Athlon XPs and Athlon 64s are better for battery life than Pentium 4s (or normal Celerons), but worse than Pentium Ms and Celeron Ms. It's had to find AMD CPUs in major-brand notebooks. For comparing performance and price/performance, you'd have to know percisely which chips you're comparing (CPU name and model numbers and/or clock speeds).

Are clock speeds the same for different manufacturers or not? And what does it mean when RAM is "shared"?
 
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MarauderX said:
Getting my wife a Dell Inspirion 8600 soon, as she is going to school in the fall too.
That particular laptop has gotten good reviews.

Ron, I mean, mojo1701 - You may want to check out www.cnet.com and maybe a few sites like www.notebookreview.com in addition to the suggestions you get here. Those sites test the actual units, give the specs they have, talk about the screen and do gaming tests most of the time. Spend a few days reading reviews and getting a feel for what you want the most from the machine.

I've actually decided to hold off a bit on buying my new laptop (just bought a new TV, instead) but I'm always looking for deal so I frequent a few sites a week just to keep up. About how much are you looking to spend, if I may ask?
 

mojo1701 said:
Like "Pentium" or "Athelon"? Anyway, I think I might've meant "Celeron."
Well, Athelon is a misspelling:) . It's Athlon.

"Pentium" is Intel's branding for their midrange/high-end desktop/notebook CPUs (they used to use Pentium for server CPUs, too, but they don't anymore; now it's Xeon). "Celeron" is Intel's branding for budget CPUs.

Athlon is AMD's branding for their midrange/high-end desktop/notebook CPUs (they used to use Athlon for server CPUs, too, but they don't anymore; now it's Opteron). "Duron" was AMD's old branding for budget CPUs. "Sempron" is AMD's new branding for budget CPUs.

"Centrino" is branding for a package including a CPU and some other things; it's not directly comprable to the others.

mojo1701 said:
Are clock speeds the same for different manufacturers or not?
Clock speeds are only relevant for comparing within the same family of CPUs. Because the Pentium 4, Pentium M, Athlon XP, and Athlon 64 have radically different architectures, comparing them at the same clock speed is all but impossible and provides no useful information. At the same clock speed, the fastest CPU is usually the Pentium M, followed by the Athlon 64, then the Athlon XP, then the Celeron M, then the Pentium 4, and then the normal Celeron. But Pentium 4s and Celerons are always clocked much faster than the others, and both Athlons and Athlon 64s are usually clocked faster than Pentium Ms and Celeron Ms.

AMD generally advertises 'model numbers' rather than clock speeds. An Athlon XP 2800+ actually is clocked at 2.1 GHz. But an Athlon 64 2800+ is clocked at 1.8 GHz -- and will be much faster than the Athlon XP in almost all cases. Despite what AMD likes to say about their model numbers, AMD's model numbers pretty much correspond to the clock speed of the Pentium 4 they wanted you to compare their CPU to at the time they launched it. Because Intel's made several architectual changes over the lifetime of the Pentium 4 (and because software makers started using more Pentium 4 optimizations), AMD's model numbers got pretty seriously out of sync with Pentium 4 clock speeds at the end of the Athlon XP line; there are many cases where a 2.6 GHz Pentium 4 is faster than an Athlon XP 3200+, all other things being equal.

Until very recently, Intel just used CPU name + clock speed; recently they've started adding model numbers which make even less sense than AMD's (ignore them, and use the actual clock speed to compare; see http://www.techreport.com/cpu/ for a chart), though so far OEMs (Dell, IBM, and the like) are still showing the actual clock speed. But the Pentium 4, Pentium M, Celeron, and Celeron M perform very differently at the same clock speed. A 2 GHz Pentium M is roughtly comprable to a 3 GHz Pentium 4, while a 2.8 GHz Celeron* is roughly comprable to a 2 GHz Pentium 4.

* I haven't seen a good review of Celeron M notebooks, so I'm not providing a guestimate on their performance. Also, the new 'Celeron D' chips perform much better than the older Pentium 4-based Celerons; they're still considerably slower than a Pentium 4 at the same clock speed, but it's nowhere near the same degree.

mojo1701 said:
And what does it mean when RAM is "shared"?
It means that instead of having a dedicated video card with its own video memory, the computer has an "integrated" video card that uses part of its main memory as its video memory. This is not a good idea if you want to do anything where graphics performance matters (games, most image and video processing work), but if you're sticking to business apps and want to save money, it's a good idea.
 
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Don't know if you've already chosen, but I picked up a Sager laptop from PCTorque.com and it's been incredible and always gets postive comments from people who see it. I thought the price on it (I didn't get the top model) was extremely reasonable.
 

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