D&D General I really LOVE Stomping Goblins

[Micah Sweet]

Elixir is from New Mutants v3 / New X-men: Academy X, which was right before Wanda Ruins Everything and Marvel made the X-men pay for their movies being owned by Fox.

He retained his powers and was definitely at the school when Peter Parker asked Beast for help saving a gut-shot Aunt May in One More Day.

See, this is something we can talk about!

 

[Vaalingrade]

It used to be.

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Not gonna lie, this is the correct response.

 

[Oofta]

And @payn 's ninja.

I have the Zevon song Excitable Boy in my head now.

To start, I don't think I'd ever put that in one of my games.

So, I mean, killing her is clearly not the right answer, but what do you do with the little girl? Is there treatment that has it where she's relatively safe to be among others? If not, are there not-awful asylums? Prison after she does something awful? In the old movies do they lock them in the attic?

What do you do if it's a small farm house in the wilderness and you need to work the farm and feed and protect the other kids?

What if the condition is revealed while you're all on a small long-haul space ship?

If there are a few hundred with that condition getting ready to attack your city of 1,000 that's barely feeding itself?

And then on the other side, when someone accuses a child who isn't of being that way...

Obviously I'm not saying the little girl should be killed, they're trying treatment. Hopefully it works, if it doesn't there's a good chance innocent people will be hurt or killed and the kid will spend her life in jail.

However, it does lead to the question: what do you do with an evil psychopath if there is no treatment or prison available? Other people have stated that if someone surrenders you must bring them to justice? What if you are unable to do so and releasing them is going to lead to more deaths? What if the justice system doesn't work or doesn't care. Maybe that psychopath has political connections or the authorities don't care because they only torture and kill commoners.

It's nice to have the moral high ground in what we hope is a reasonably fair and civilized society, but sometimes there simply is no good option. There are only bad options and worse.

 

[payn]

Hopefully because they caught it early enough that with appropriate therapy they can help rewire her brain. I was just pointing out that some actual, real, people are born what we would call evil. That there's no reason to believe that since humans can be born that way that another species couldn't be as extreme or more so.

As far as what to do about it, that's up to each table. I've never run a campaign where the players went out to kill goblins for the sake of killing them. I can't say it's never happened in my experience but I can't remember a time when we did. I do get tired of this strawman dressed up as a goblin though.

This sounds like you are saying folks with mental disabilities can be inherently evil. I dont think thats what you want to mean, but you are trying to make some real life justification for indiscriminate killing of Goblins in D&D. This entire thread has taught me that that level of justification is completely unnecessary.

 

[Cadence]

See, this is something we can talk about!

You know if we do though that someone will try to bring some DC characters in. It will start innocently with JLA/Avengers, but then it's all down hill.

 

[Vaalingrade]

See, this is something we can talk about!

How Hank McCoy clearly has some animosity toward the Parker family and we'll never find out why?

 

[HammerMan]

Not that curing cancer is an issue in 616. Norman Osborne has had the cure for years but kept it around in bullet form (!!) just to have an ace in the hole against Deadpool.

I'm not sure he can actually self-res though. Then again, Cypher learned the literal cheat codes of the universe via the power to know every language. X-folk don't play. Elixir's peers were Female T-1000, an actual pschopomp, kid Purple Man, Wolverine's clone, 'What if Ben Grimm and Deadpool had a baby' and 'If Imhotep got to be cool all the time in the Mummy Trilogy'.

yup... reality warpers, and omniversal space birds, and all powerful ______ and immortals ____ are so common... hence why I said he was too powerful...but just a day that ends in Y for the X verse.

 

[Vaalingrade]

yup... reality warpers, and omniversal space birds, and all powerful ______ and immortals ____ are so common... hence why I said he was too powerful...but just a day that ends in Y for the X verse.

I honestly needed half an excuse to list off why Academy X had some of the most enjoyable characters in the X-books. Hellion, Mercury and Dust are all in my top ten all time favorites -- and they weren't even the protagonists.

 

[Scribe]

This entire thread has taught me that that level of justification is completely unnecessary.

Thinking on it, I wonder if its not simply making things (the discussion, the act, the concepts) simply worse?

Why even bother with a justification? It will never, EVER satisfy those who find it 'without nuance' it will never pass any kind of scrutiny as evidenced by the countless threads, and on the other end, you have people who dont care anyway and just want to kick in a door and roll some dice.

Why even bother?

 

[Oofta]

This sounds like you are saying folks with mental disabilities are inherently evil. I dont think thats what you want to mean, but you are trying to make some real life justification for indiscriminate killing of Goblins in D&D. This entire thread has taught me that that level of justification is completely unnecessary.

Good grief. I'm saying that the reality is that some people are born with a callous disregard of others. That our sense of right and wrong for most people is something we're inherently born with. Our genes affect our attitudes and moral compass more than people care to admit.

Psycopaths are by and large wired differently at a fundamental level than most people which is likely caused by an underdeveloped amygdala. The vast majority of people with mental disabilities are not inherently dangerous. Heck, everybody's probably neurodivergent in some way. However, I can acknowledge that some people are far, far more likely to commit acts of violence because of a difference in brain structure.