I saw the MATRIX 2 thread SPOILERS ABOUND

[Umbran]

And Neo did treat Trinity like a item rather than the love of his life.

Hm. I don't think so. You forget about all those people these folks gun down. For people willing to kill so many innocents for the cause, a kiss is not a moral quandry.

Trinity may have a visceral reaction, but she knows darned well that this is a mission where they do what must be done. Neo knows her dedication. It is not that he is treating her as an object, it is simply that he already knows that she'll allow it - a person willing to fight and die and kill isn't going to stall the operation over a smooch.

 

[Kai Lord]

Moreover, that cake scene was meant as much for we in the audience as it was for Our Heroes on the screen. That scene alone will keep us thinking and talking about this film and the first one well after Revolutions comes out, which means that this film will maintain the franchise's awareness in our minds until then with ease. That's good filmmaking from any angle that you want to take it.

That's like saying Jar Jar Binks is "good filmmaking" because for three years people wondered if he'd be included in Attack of the Clones. A stupid scene that is memorable only in how it greatly reduces the quality of an epic story aspiring to be a new mythology is not good filmmaking. Quite the opposite.

 

[Negative Zero]

of course, the idea that food = programing in the Matrix, puts Cypher in a new light now. afterall, Smith did have dinner with him, and fed him steak. hmmmm... Cypher may not have even been aware he was being manipulated. sure he probly had the disgruntled thing going against him, but he may not have been all that bad save for the programing.

~NegZ

 

[Welverin]

of course, the idea that food = programing in the Matrix, puts Cypher in a new light now. afterall, Smith did have dinner with him, and fed him steak. hmmmm... Cypher may not have even been aware he was being manipulated. sure he probly had the disgruntled thing going against him, but he may not have been all that bad save for the programing.

Except he would have had to contact them first, so ultimately he stil chose to betray zion on his own.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Well, but who knows what the oracle saw for him? Maybe she gave him a betrayal cookie

Mustrum Ridcully

 

[kingpaul]

Well, but who knows what the oracle saw for him? Maybe she gave him a betrayal cookie

That actually might be true. Remember, Jesus had Judas; maybe Cypher was Neo's Judas.

 

[Henry]

Amusing thought. I was watching this movie with a friend of mine; when we got to the scene with Persephone talking about how it had been a long time since she had felt something like the relationship between Neo and Trinity, he suggested that she should try the chocolate cake.

 

[Celtavian]

Re

The Archietect is God. He created the world and controls it and has a plan for humanity. He tried to make the world perfect. But humanity by its very nature can't exist in such a state, so he made it as perfect as the human mind can comprehend.

Morpheus doesn't like the plan. He believes that he knows how to govern his life better than God, so he leads an uprising.

However, Morpheus has forgetten that God is omnipotent and, as a result, his "revolt" is all part of the divine plan.

That would make Morpheus Lucifer.

And, when you think about it, what kind of world does Morpheus offer humanity? A blasted out wasteland. Can anything grow there? What about other animals? Unless there's livestock in the matrix they can free, how does he plan to feed a couple million people? How many people would thank Morpheus for what he's done?

Most people would look upon the world Morpheus offers as Hell.

Very interesting way to think about the characters and story. This would blow people away in the next movie if it proved to be true.

Then Neo, who is like Christ, would be lead by the devil, which would be very strange. Definitely food for thought.

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

I've got Morpheus figured the John the Baptist figure, myself, although he's managing to live longer than the Biblical one...

Wonder if Morpheus will be the one that dies in the third film, being as each film seems broadly similar in structure?

 

[Wayside]

Smith's attempt to infect Neo was obvious, blatant and designed to obliterate him; Neo said that the attack felt like he was back in the hallway before Room 303 when he died. Thus he was made aware of the attack by its very nature, and he resisted it. This is not so of the food; it's not obvious, blatant or designed to harm him. Neo's not a savvy guy; he misses the subtlties of life until they're pointed out to him; he catches up quick once he twigs to the idea, however. (He's your classic high Intelligence/average Wisdom guy.) The connection between Matrix food and programming likely never occured to him until that scene w/ the Merovingian; afterwards, he was rather reluctant to allow such a thing to happen again unless he believed that it was absolutely necessary--hence his reluctance to kiss Persephone--but he'll take that risk if he thinks that he must.

I just don't think candy that alters the 'code' of your mind could be any more subtle than LSD or MDMA; that coupled with the fact that Neo is perfectly capable of defeating anything used against him inside the Matrix leads me to the opinion that they shouldn't do anything with that particular possibility. It doesn't make any sense for him to not be aware of it.

Moreover, that cake scene was meant as much for we in the audience as it was for Our Heroes on the screen. That scene alone will keep us thinking and talking about this film and the first one well after Revolutions comes out, which means that this film will maintain the franchise's awareness in our minds until then with ease. That's good filmmaking from any angle that you want to take it.

Glad to hear filmmaking is getting away from Lacanian principles, even if it gets worse before it gets better.