Level Up (A5E) If Eberron was converted to A5e, would the Dragonmarks be heritage specific gifts?

Corinnguard

Adventurer
In O5e, those races with a specific Dragonmark within the Eberron setting were written up as a subrace. In A5e, would the Dragonmarks be seen as heritage specific gifts?
 

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I would think so, since they are tied to specific extended family groups. Somewhat of an exception would be the marks associated with half-elves and half-orcs, taking the mark would make the character mixed-heritage, the player would just pick the base heritage that the character most favors.
 

Xethreau

Josh Gentry - Author, Minister in Training
I would think so, since they are tied to specific extended family groups. Somewhat of an exception would be the marks associated with half-elves and half-orcs, taking the mark would make the character mixed-heritage, the player would just pick the base heritage that the character most favors.
Strong agree. And, someone on the fan discord has done a really great job of doing that conversion.

I'm a huge fan of Eberron, and this exact question has been on my mind a lot. But, the only legal way to make that conversion would be through a fan creation. The DMs Guild license is incompatible with any OGL license/content.
 

Corinnguard

Adventurer
Strong agree. And, someone on the fan discord has done a really great job of doing that conversion.

I'm a huge fan of Eberron, and this exact question has been on my mind a lot. But, the only legal way to make that conversion would be through a fan creation. The DMs Guild license is incompatible with any OGL license/content.
I don't suppose you have a link on that person's work on the Dragonmarked GIfts? curious Yeah. The RPG company's loss. ;) I have seen a number of well-thought out homebrews for stuff in O5e. Mostly on GM Binder.
 

Faolyn

(she/her)
I had written them up, but for the life of me I can't find the document again.

But yeah, I did them as heritage gifts. Basically an expertise die, stackable up to a d10 (a la the trapsmith rogue), and then the spells.
 


James Gasik

Legend
Supporter
Eberron used the Dragonmarks as a world building tool to ensure the 3e PHB races would have their dominance in the face of new, cool races like Kalashtar, Warforged, and Shifters, who most people would consider to be considerably "cooler" than the established ones (Warforged had strong immunities and unique customization options, and Shifters had lots of different ways they could be built over time). Eberron is, by definition, a 'gonzo' setting.

Not only does just about everything fit there, but it takes the lid of the stoic, Tolkien-descended fantasy world with lightning trains, elemental powered skyships, regular humanoids being able to have magical powers beyond spellcasting, and players eventually being allowed to become weretigers, giant robots, or reality warpers as a matter of course. Magic was plentiful and anyone could benefit from magical labor saving devices.

But at the same time, only a few people ever reached the heights of power beyond 8th level, ensure the player characters were almost guaranteed to eventually be at the center of the world, ranking among it's movers and shakers (as compared to Krynn, where the Gods kick you out at a certain level, or the Forgotten Realms, where you can't throw a rock without hitting an epic-level spellcaster).
 

VenerableBede

Adventurer
It seems everyone has already agreed on making Dragonmarks a Gift feature! I guess I'll be first voice to suggest another direction, then.
Yes, Dragonmarks are associated with certain houses and bloodlines—some of them anyway. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but someone doesn't have to be a blood member of a certain family (not in all instances, anyway) to have a Dragonmark, yes? People with specific Dragonmarks are expected to know certain people, be trained in certain things, etc. There's as much culture as genetics (if not more) involved in Dragonmarks, so I definitely imagined it fitting at least as well as a character's Culture.
 

Corinnguard

Adventurer
A while back I remember reading an Eberron novel where one of the characters had a Dragonmark, but wasn't a member of a Dragonmarked House. There was some speculation that their Dragonmarked parent had a relationship outside of their House. This would mean that the marks are genetic in nature, and therefore would be a Gift tied to a specific heritage. The Dragonmarked Houses would be a Culture within the setting. Hmm...would there be one Dragonmarked Culture or could there be one for each House?
 


VenerableBede

Adventurer
A while back I remember reading an Eberron novel where one of the characters had a Dragonmark, but wasn't a member of a Dragonmarked House. There was some speculation that their Dragonmarked parent had a relationship outside of their House. This would mean that the marks are genetic in nature, and therefore would be a Gift tied to a specific heritage. The Dragonmarked Houses would be a Culture within the setting. Hmm...would there be one Dragonmarked Culture or could there be one for each House?
I mean, for someone who really wanted to go all-in, make the genetic parts of Dragonmarks a gift and the rest of the House aspects Culture. Then, as a player, pick both the relevant gift and culture, and you are now in as deep as you can get.
 

tetrasodium

Legend
Supporter
A while back I remember reading an Eberron novel where one of the characters had a Dragonmark, but wasn't a member of a Dragonmarked House. There was some speculation that their Dragonmarked parent had a relationship outside of their House. This would mean that the marks are genetic in nature, and therefore would be a Gift tied to a specific heritage. The Dragonmarked Houses would be a Culture within the setting. Hmm...would there be one Dragonmarked Culture or could there be one for each House?
To use BSG terms, wasn't she pretty strongly hinted at being an advanced* skinjob type warforge with her "parents" having been part of the original team unraveling the mysteries of creation forges? I can't remember her name but am pretty sure Keith has given reasons to think of it being a possability that was more than just mere hint in some of his blogposts/potcasts.

There was also a male fighter type in house D who wound up bearing an aberrant mark at some point.

*edit: by virtue of seeming to have flesh & blood rather than wood & stone
 
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Corinnguard

Adventurer
Lei d'Cannith I think this is who you might have been referring to. She considered the Warforged Ranger, Pierce, to be her brother. But that's no real indication that she could have been an advanced type of Warforged. Her abilities stem from her training as an Artificer.
 

Staffan

Legend
It seems everyone has already agreed on making Dragonmarks a Gift feature! I guess I'll be first voice to suggest another direction, then.
Yes, Dragonmarks are associated with certain houses and bloodlines—some of them anyway. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but someone doesn't have to be a blood member of a certain family (not in all instances, anyway) to have a Dragonmark, yes? People with specific Dragonmarks are expected to know certain people, be trained in certain things, etc. There's as much culture as genetics (if not more) involved in Dragonmarks, so I definitely imagined it fitting at least as well as a character's Culture.
The dragonmarks themselves are semi-genetic (it's not a given that a child will have a mark even if one or both parents do, but it's likely), and provide the actual magical abilities. The dragonmarked Houses are essentially megacorps/guilds who have formed around those family lines that often possess marks, and who leverage the advantages of the marks into dominating that particular industry. One can be a member of a House without having a mark, in which case you are either doing support stuff or things that are within the House's wheelhouse without requiring an actual mark (e.g. a House of Sivis scribe that only deals with mundane documents, not speaking stones or arcane marks), and one can have a mark without being a member of a House (either because someone's been sowing wild oats, or because you've left the House for some reason).

So it would make sense to have the magical aspects of a dragonmark be part of your heritage, and the social aspects be a Dragonmarked Scion culture.

It should be noted that most industries have a lot of semi-independent actors who are licensed by guilds associated with the dragonmarked houses, but aren't part of them. House Ghallanda doesn't run every inn or tavern in Khorvaire, but they do license them to make sure they're up to certain standards. Some of these are operated independently by marked heirs, and some by unmarked people. It is a bit unclear to what degree the licensing is legally enforced, and to what degree it's just a matter of "Why would you risk going to an unlicensed inn where the beer will be watered down and you'll have bed bugs for companionship overnight.".
 

Faolyn

(she/her)
A while back I remember reading an Eberron novel where one of the characters had a Dragonmark, but wasn't a member of a Dragonmarked House. There was some speculation that their Dragonmarked parent had a relationship outside of their House. This would mean that the marks are genetic in nature, and therefore would be a Gift tied to a specific heritage. The Dragonmarked Houses would be a Culture within the setting. Hmm...would there be one Dragonmarked Culture or could there be one for each House?
I would create a Dragonmarked culture that's generic, like the Noble culture. You were raised in a Dragonmarked House and learned the ins-and-outs of it. It may even involve gaining a cantrip or free skill specialty to show an innate ability (which depends on your Mark). In Eberron, IIRC, however, only a percentage of people born into a Dragonmarked House actually have a mark--and sometimes, illegitimate children (or grandchildren, or great-grandchildren) born outside the House end up with a mark.

Meaning you could do both Gift and Culture. If you have both, you were likely born into the House. If you only have the Culture, you were born into the House (and therefore know people with the Gift) but don't have the talent. If you only have the Gift, then you either weren't born into/raised by the House, or you were but something else in your life was more important than House culture.
 

James Gasik

Legend
Supporter
Yeah, Dragonmarked people are special, and the families that have Marks are very careful to maintain the power of their bloodline. In the past, mixed marriages resulted in Aberrant Dragonmarks with bizarre powers that caused a lot of problems for everyone. Even though a player character with an Aberrant Mark isn't really all that powerful, the stigma remains, and you can be hunted down for it.

Then there's that time a little Elf girl found herself with the Mark of Death, a Dragonmark that was supposedly wiped out of existence...
 
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James Gasik

Legend
Supporter
The first time, yes. Then it happened again...
 

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